TB-7076

As this discussion was mentioned in the other discussion I repeat and extend my answer from there: I expand on the structural issue: Both - weathered and clean Scouts - have to be cleared and both have to be registered to have his troop recognised as 501st troop. You don't have to change scout CRLs entirely if any. You don't necessarily have to carry it to the lancer program or distinguish in the forum by label. To be able to display several costumes of the same aspect has been the reason for sub categories. It started out with the problems GMLs had entering different bounty hunters and different costumes of one specific bounty hunter for example Boba Fett. TKs followed with their different looks in each episode etc etc. TKs nowadays have like a zillion sub categories with all the crazy troopers the game and comic industry has invented. The battle weary scout is what we see and recognise the most in the movies. However there are clean scouts in ROTJ as well. If a TK fanatic goes for the three major manifestations of the classic TK (ANH/ESB/ROTJ or Tour Suit) he can have all three displayed in the TK gallery of the 501st and legally troop in them with the TK designator. If a Scout fanatic goes for the two manifestations of the Scout Trooper in ROTJ he can only have one displayed in the 501st gallery and is dependend on the grace of his garrison command if both are accepted. I guess you have to have many enemies within your garrison to have it not accpeted but it's not in the sense of equality if you have to make an "excemption" every time you wear your dirty scout instead of the registered clean scout. So we have this opportunity on legion level why not use it to allow for legal use and display of two different costumes of one aspect?

If you have to change the design I'd rather look into the possibilities to have it laser cut and bent from aluminum sheets and then anodised.

only get them in metallic and slight different shapes

TKs have natural weathering as well - looking at my TOD pictures you won't see the difference and actually mine has some marks already. Some TKs in my garrison go for centurion look so the have the chipping on helmet and rubber prints and even tapes were they were. Still they're welcomed on high profile events. For those who have only one dirty or one clean scout this would bring no change but for those with two it would be fine. Sandtroopers are also featurede on high profile events! And LFL once send in their very own dirty scouts (brinn71).

Seriously the different label would be no difference for teh costume aspect but just a possiblity to have two types displayed for one member. You can't have both registered as 501st costume without a sub category. And for the public it won't be a difference just that Joe Smoe is displayed with two Scout costumes , one bright white and one battle worn. A label as brought up by John and myself are a) nothing really visible to the general public just a label for administration, nothing we have to bother with but GMLs to sort out I personally think that is something to be reconsidered and maybe proposed to the LMO by detchment staff if we agree that this is a benefit for the membership. As I said - I think so as it sounds logical. I wouldn't necessarily port this to the forum system like you said - in general we're still Pathfinders. Maybe the lancer program could be expanded for more movie accurate weathering and we need two CRLs then but that's that. What about a poll to see if there is a brader base that would justify such a change to the category?

Nice, I think that is the closest solution we have seen yet. Very creative! Were to get these and for how much do these go if they're available as a single part?

Have to add one thing! Why I think the idea is justified is: Imagine someone has two scout costumes, one dirty and one clean but he can only have one scout registered as 501st costume! We have had the problem with some bounty hunters that had various boba fett costumes of different movies and of course the TKs that began to make multiple TK costumes that couldn't be registered due to the fact they all ran under TK. That is why on 501st data base level we got the distinctions into categories and then different sub categories of one class like BH - Boba Fett ESB BH - boba Fett ROTJ BH - Boba Fett SE etc etc etc I think that is why I feel the idea is good and might open a new perspective for those who want to go for both looks of the scouts. I know I want theat too

Err I need to interrupt here because I think while you say you agree with me (and I was positive on the base idea of John) you have misunderstood the notion. So I try to get us back on track. As far as I understood John he doesn't wants a centuron like uber screenaccurate class above above lancer but a distinction in clean and battle weary scout uniforms. If brought into the classification system of the 501st it would be two sub categories of the TB classification. similar to TK - ANH Stunt or TK - ANH hero or TK-ESB etc we then would have TB - guard / garrisoned TB - field duty / deployed I only disagreed on a classification as hero and stunt as I don't see that with scout armor - all scouts seem to be quite homogenous in their appearnce maybe with the exception of the prototype stuff like upper leg armor, tan suede patches and strapped boot holster and one Scout having the red/orange tone in the lens. But I think these don't qualify for a clear distinction into hero and stunt scout. John correct me if I'm wrong but that is what I udnerstood...

While I'd support a distinction between factory clean Scouts ans battle worn Scouts I wouldn't call them hero and stunt and I wouldn't usw ribbed neck seals. Reasoning: There is no movie evidence for a specially outfitted Scout for close ups. The PR shot with high closed neck may be seen as hero but I think that single detail doesn't qualify. I have never seen proof that any Scout had a ribbed neckseal. I'd use something like deployed and garrisoned or the like.

The prototype looks promising. I can't add anything to that of the previous Posters. Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to see one of your helmets in person. Do you have a size comparison next to other fan made helmets? And not on topic but do you also plan to update your armor parts?

I thought this MC actually referred to another maker with same initials. I know MonCal got permission from MLC but in cooperation changed the design to 2.5 and later 3. So I first thought this to be a whole different helmet but with same features like the SFA (recast?) with the strange angled snout that looks like that V1.

MC looks pretty much like MLC V1 - I had one back in 2006, same chin lip, maybe a tad wider... http://www.star-wear...ng/helmet02.jpg Edit* Here you can see all sdes and the lip: http://www.star-wears.madphisto.net/reports/clst_mlc.jpg didn't know the altman was that big.

Would be cool if someone in europe could do this as well. It would reduce import costs and some other risks.

Looks nice. Do you know how big it is compared to a DP?

The MLc has issues due to the fact it is based on the DP which is quite smaller (youth size) though still a bit bigger than the DP at least outside. Inside there is a problem due to the material strength. Don't know of the mystery helmet?! Most fan based helmets are within the size of the DP as they are either inspired or casted from these. I know an attempt to cast the DP deluxe (~25 produced/shipped) unfortunately failed due to the retreat of the helmet donor - I think that fiber glas based helmet could have had the original size. I only saw an altmans once but I think it is not much bigger than the DP but I'm not sure. The LW helmet however should be of almost the same size like the original bucket as John crosschecked with his altered south-american helmet and the tour bucket that came with the star wars in concert tour 2 years ago and we know from pictures that the 3M liner fits there. I can just hope that this fine product is accessable for us at some point. PS: Matt - maybe you can showcase your collection especially that mystery helmet recast in an own thread? I'm interested to see that.

Now this is an awesome move. Credits to you making KTs for so long and now making it open source. I've seen hat only once so far and like comm tech I hope if someone takes on it he will do with good spirits! For your future projects - have fun and looking forward to see what's awaiting us!

The same with 3M changing their bolt design for their welder liners... but despite the growth in the last years the collector market is still a niche market and so nothing to be recognized by the common market. Can be a skae but also a curse at times.

Boots are saved for the scout community. thanks for Jerry making these available!

You already know I love your stuff John, now please ease my pain and relieve me from my DP curse = me wants!!!!!

If you're going by real world field-applied camouflage that would work but the camo seen in the movie is much cleaner due to the fact that the textures of the CGI models are artificial and even in high res renders tend to be blurred. I'd revisit the screenshots and existing CGI reference and change the technique. I think airbrush would work better than brushes.

Do you know when this project is going to be official?

Anything about the material? I have size 52 btw - so I'm within the range The layout of the large front pockets are very good for scouts as well as the knee extra padding as there are hints in the exhibition shots that there was something like a pocket or another segment.

i'd use the first one - how much is that one and which sizes (had a hard time with the swedish there ?

Palladium boots are available with tan colored soles. I'd go for those instead of black soles. Look for israeli combat boots.

Last time I saw people aquiring these had been somewhere 2005/2006 and unfortunately I lost track where these have gone and who is the owner now. One pair a guy got from italy which are the tan ones (shown in the gallery) without the horizontal bridge in the sole side threading and one pair with green soles and camouflage canvas some guy sold in the old RPF forums. From then I lost track of the pairs stil existing and known. I never have seen these on ebay or else for sale.