Army Scout Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 The images look like they are not wearing full lenght gauntlet type gloves (EP6 Scout). Looks like wrist gloves.... Looks black with a grey pad on the back.. Lets find some gloves... Army Scout How about something like these... Army Scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TB-7076 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 During the scenes there seem to be some continuity problems so it is very difficult to trace back the original. However I think it is still a gauntlet. It is just a gauntlet within a gauntlet or a gauntlet divided in two sections with the front section being stronger than the rear. Just that on several of these the rear is camouflaged and in other scenes black or at least one mono coloured. I also took two Kenner miniature pictures into reference (You can easily spot them) I brightened up the pcitures to show it. The next days I can do a sketch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylikhan Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 My guess from your pictures is a leather glove with armor pads at strategic joints. Flexiblity, allowing maximum range of movement. - fk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Doesn't look like armor to me. Looking at my skiing gloves they have the same feel with their nylon pads. The ribbed thing on the inner part of the rear gauntlet might be vinyl like material. Though the same part looks like nylon grid on another shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaTrooper Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 I think the black or cammo issue is the same with the pants. In some instances of lighting the pants look black, but we know they are a dimmed out cammo. I would venture to say the forearms are cammo, like the pants. Now, is it me or does the unsersuit around the arms look cammo as well. this all leads me to believe the whole undersuit ( shirt and pants both) are camo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Scout Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 I agree, I think the BARCs are in full camo with a solid color "vest" black gloves, tan/white boots. Man this is getting fun Army Scout I think the black or cammo issue is the same with the pants. In some instances of lighting the pants look black, but we know they are a dimmed out cammo. I would venture to say the forearms are cammo, like the pants. Now, is it me or does the unsersuit around the arms look cammo as well. this all leads me to believe the whole undersuit ( shirt and pants both) are camo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skywalker_1982 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I just went to chapter 17 20 secs into it where you have the three barcs walking together and to me it looks definately like a glove more than a gauntlet type. Could you even relatively say it maybe a gauntlet but with the underside half of the sleeve part cut and replaced with stapping so it appears to be a gauntlet from the front and just a glove from the back, reason why I say that is chapter 17 00:01:56 it shows a barc trooper falling back after being shot to me it looks like there is two pieces of black strapping round the wrist area and more or less half way up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Doesn't explain the overlap.... I will go camo gauntlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 OK guys here are some more pictures pulled from the dvd today of the gloves this time. Tell me what you think- I think that they are gauntlets with a "V" shape opening in the back and the gray so called armor area is a flap to hold it closed tight to the forearm, the 2 black lines below that look to be stiching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tx5004 Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 i bleve your right it is a gauntlet styl glove but the forarm armor looks like a martal arts pad i have seen them in black i bet it can easly be panted camo if need be OK guys here are some more pictures pulled from the dvd today of the gloves this time. Tell me what you think- I think that they are gauntlets with a "V" shape opening in the back and the gray so called armor area is a flap to hold it closed tight to the forearm, the 2 black lines below that look to be stiching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 These new up close pictures of the BARC trooper will clear up the gloves issue and some other issues now that we see this costume better. Thanx goes out to TB.438 for sending me them. BARC Trooper #1 BARC Trooper #2 Also you'll see that the gloves are black with some camo on the glove not much but some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 You see a lot more... for example there is a 'gauntlet' One thing is clear - it is going to be a hard part to realize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 You see a lot more... for example there is a 'gauntlet' One thing is clear - it is going to be a hard part to realize. You got that rigth MAD !!!!! It will be hard and a custom job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 You got that rigth MAD !!!!! It will be hard and a custom job... Give my gf and I some time after Dragon Con and we'll start working on it and see what we can do. Actually I was just looking around online for gloves to work with and found these for a great base glove to rework it and make into the BRAC gloves. I can very close black leather for making the top part of the glove with the hard grayish/green colored armor looking piece on it. Once the glove is cut the top part of the glove is made sewen on to it and the armor part is attached to it I think it will look really good. Like I said give till after Dragon Con to rework these gloves. Not bad for 20buck if this works right which I think it will. BARC Trooper base glove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I don't think the protective pads are armor parts. Looks more like ...well pads. Could be of some snythetic fabric. We see that in several state of the art biking/skiing gloves. The grey thing in the rear could be rubber. The gloves you have found there look nice as a base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I don't think the protective pads are armor parts. Looks more like ...well pads. Could be of some snythetic fabric. We see that in several state of the art biking/skiing gloves. The grey thing in the rear could be rubber. The gloves you have found there look nice as a base. I agree with Mad on this about the pad issue. I'm also not completely convinced there is a gauntlet. It could be a glove / wrist protector, what makes it "confusing" in the pics are the straps, guard and padding. It COULD be a gauntlet, just gotta stare at it more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 The fastener is messed up at the one side. My guess is that they have a weakpoint in the skeletal architecture causing some joints to overstretch the texture. If not the gauntlet must be an individual part lying over the end of the glove like gaiters over a boot. But serioulsy that makes no real sense although it is a bit puzzling that the rear part of the supposed gauntlet has this foam feel resulting in a distinctive seperation between glove and itself. I still think both parts belong together as they have the same material. In one of the promo renderings we got a wrong teyxture applied making it look as if it belongs to the suit. That's why all the fuzz about 'gauntlet or not' has arisen. This poster scan however tells a different story and makes sense. Could be that the padded gauntlet is meant as a rest/protective pad for the gun and recoil (laser weapons shouldn't have recoil though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 So here is the anatomy of the gloves. Actually not so complex ats it looks in the first place. I think regarding the camo of the rear part of the gloves (finger and knuckle area is clean) it is difficult to tell if it was meant as field applied camo or not. I'd say the leather has one secondary green-brown tone as additional colour while the green which is showing only at a few spots and espescially on the padding and other bright details might be dirt. The fastener probably works like a quick fastener on skiing/skateing boots. The non stretched texture on the right glove shows that the material must be elastic plastic as it shows no sign of webbing structure. The rubber is identified by the rater rough and dull apearance. As the texture of pads and glove base show the same material characteristics I'd say both is composed of plain leather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Mad, I simply love your ability to decipher these images !!!! You sure you didn't work on the movie ? LOL Anyway, GREAT illustration!!! Now I was wondering if the "rubber" section pic'ed above, does that run on the bottom of the forearm or the top of the forearm? ~Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Lol - well, I like the idea working for some SW projects beyond the hobby level but I guess it takes a bit more to get your ass in one of Lucas' departments. Now that you say it I also wonder why the rubber part is in different positions. Again we can only speculate except you have a foot in the door of ILM but I suspect lousy continuity during the design process. Same with the wrong texture in the other render and the overstretched joint. Nobody is perfect and probably it wouldn't matter if you see it from the production angle and the fact those models were used mostly in mass scenes from afar. Doesn't really excuse but it is the best explanation I have. There is no real function that you can interprete from the look and placement of this item. So there is no hint... I guess in the haste of production and the narrow time windows and deadlines you can't afford to watch every single thing carefully and nitpicks like us are the minority of the receiving end If I had been art director in the department they probably would have needed twice the time and strong nerves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Trust me guys I know what your all talking about with mads drawings which will help out, but the wrist area I dont see it being that thight around the wrist. Its more open then that. The so called armor piece yes its made of some kind of soft rubber or hard rubber molded to that shape and heat set or glued to the glove for the weapon to rest on. The padding on the back of the glove I would say is leather also and is sewen on to the glove. The wrist strap could be a strech band or a leather band with no clasp, it looks to have two stichs in it. Or a wrist band that strechs with a leather part swen into it in the middle. The most back half of the glove will be leather also with padding in it to give the full look. The leather outlet here in Tampa carries a wide selection of leathers in diffrent colors so i will go over there after Dragon Con to see what I can find and order the gloves too. The only part that I dont think I can do, due to money and time and such is the rubber aromr pad on the glove. But then again I might just give it try anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Trust me guys I know what your all talking about with mads drawings which will help out, but the wrist area I dont see it being that thight around the wrist. Its more open then that. The so called armor piece yes its made of some kind of soft rubber or hard rubber molded to that shape and heat set or glued to the glove for the weapon to rest on. The padding on the back of the glove I would say is leather also and is sewen on to the glove. The wrist strap could be a strech band or a leather band with no clasp, it looks to have two stichs in it. Or a wrist band that strechs with a leather part swen into it in the middle. The most back half of the glove will be leather also with padding in it to give the full look. The leather outlet here in Tampa carries a wide selection of leathers in diffrent colors so i will go over there after Dragon Con to see what I can find and order the gloves too. The only part that I dont think I can do, due to money and time and such is the rubber aromr pad on the glove. But then again I might just give it try anyway. I would be more than happy to sculpt the mold for the rubber piece and make them. I would just need a rough length and width to sculpt to. Then I can cast them in urethane rubber to be applied to the leather. Does this piece need to be sewn in or can it be applied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Ghst is right on the narrow wrist. I used a muscular scheme of the human arm as a base for the glove scheme. It is a bit harder for me to illustrate on screen as on paper. I can do a better one tomorrow if needed. Regarding the base structure this is not really an important factor just an error in actual shape. The size of the rubber part is a bit difficult. I can base new drawings using a medium to large sized gauntlet glove as a scale example. Using medium sizes will allow proper fit for small and extra large adaptions. I guess it would be around 8-10 cm (around 3.25"-4") in length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I would be more than happy to sculpt the mold for the rubber piece and make them. I would just need a rough length and width to sculpt to. Then I can cast them in urethane rubber to be applied to the leather. Does this piece need to be sewn in or can it be applied? Whoa wait... I don't want to side track this discussion but I wanted to quote the fett-man. :-) You can cast rubber pieces? Is there then some way we can find a find a base model boot and cast our own rubber soles? Would it just be too flimsy? Am I out of my mind? :-) Shouldn't be too much of a problem should it to take off the sole of some boot we want to use and glue ( stitch ... something) the new moulded piece to the bottom? Opinions? Again, sorry for any distractions ... carry on :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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