Jimah Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Correct, the two black ones seen in some screen grabs. I had to change them to grey for approval, but as most current CBs (and Lady's 'bunds) have the black straps @ the belt, thought it might be worth looking at on the CRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbungle Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 they are supposed to be black, mine look greys becuase of weathering. they were black before i weathered the cumberbund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimah Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Thanks Mr B - will refer my GML to this and change em back (sewed 2 grey patches over the black straps so an easy fix)... thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonescout Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Their black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimah Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Thanks folks - GML is now happy for me to change 'em back to black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 ok lots of discussion, now its coming to crunch time. Been looking over the threads, building on other discussions and Brother Halos initial compilation on the WIP CRL, I have updated it with current information (red below). I have included pictures to illustrate the words. last I heard - there was WIP with piccies of the armour going from Mr Bungle to BrotherHalo. Confirmed with MB that he is happy to supply pics. so if I can get some feedback on the facts - open till end of March 2012. I will then draft an initial CRL document for submission for the Command Staff here on BSN. MUST HAVE * Comply with ALL CRL - BASE Must Have Requirements * Weathering is encouraged, layered or topical are ok. PAINT RECOMMENDATIONS - HARD ARMOUR * Chrome undercoat - whether applied in layered or topical method * Krylon khaki tan for the base color/custom mix available - check with armourers for samples * Polly scale, Panzer Olive green F505113/Humbrol no 78 * Tamiya Color, Flat Earth (brown) FX-52 item # 81359 * Tamiya Color, Desert Yellow XF-59, item # 81752 * Green ink wash over it with misting and weathering. (black and khaki seems to work well.) * black/grey/white misting as appropriate ARMOUR * Chest plate - 2 black straps connecting chest and back plates. - grey coloured shoulder tabs (either attached at the front or back AND front) - overlap of back plate on the chest plate at the side join * Back plate with tank. - Tank and back plate must be one piece - Tank must have top greeblie - tank top greeblie is BLACK * 2 shoulder bells * 2 bicep pieces - left bicep armor must have black grey strap and specific greeb - all painted grey - right bicep armor must have greeblies painted grey * 2 forearm pieces with 2 straps for each piece of armor. * Cod piece. - Can be made of hard rubber urethane with a foam backing. - triangular in shape - covered in cloth and painted in camo pattern * 2 pieces of knee armour - specific black/dark grey straps for each piece of knee armour. * 2 complete shin armor pieces that are seamless. - 2 khaki or white belts on each shin - Black buckle and a smaller clip on each belt. * 2 pieces of boot armor - 4 black rings , 2 for each boot. - 1/2 inch "O" ring HELMET * Fan-made helmet * visor with reflective green lens * full set of greeblies - 2 breathers, triangle piece, five bar snout piece and visor bolts * rectangular slot on the visor measuring 2.5 to 2.75 inches long and 0.75 inches wide - centred in the middle of the visor * note on paint - the INSIDE of the visor is painted the same base colour as the armour NOT black WEAPON * DC-15 long or short rifle. SOFT GOODS * Jacket and pants or jumpsuit with the correct (or as close as possible camo.) Recommend dyed DMP (british) desert camo. Dye them brown and black to get them close. - Leg pouches measuring 7 inches by 5 inches with a biased cut flap on the outside - placed iin the correct position - Grey riding patch on inner thigh * Cummerbund. No molle vest or variant. - dark grey base, with lighter grey vertical straps - vertical straps - Midsection belt that goes around the cummerbund. - 2 vertical black stripes to go on cummerbund belt on the front - 16 pouches of accepted size. Use dave's measurements thread as a guide. + 2 long front pouches + 2 small rectangle front pouches + 8 small side pouches + 2 long back pouches. + 2 large rectangle back pouches. - pouches are either cloth covered and painted with camo pattern or covered with multi-cam cloth * belt and buckle - grey with black insets - buckle - grey/gunmetal grey * 2 drop boxes with 4 straps hung from belt and belt buckle - beige or tanned colour - are either cloth covered and painted with camo pattern or covered with multi-cam cloth * gauntlet-style gloves - black leather to the wrists and brown gauntlet sections - 2 grey pads on top of each glove - 2 rubber greebliess on brown leather gauntlet style. part of the glove - grey coloured - grey belt with buckle around the wrist FOOTWEAR * Boots - White with khaki or tan soles. - Soles need a curved shape in between the heel and sole similar to Jango Fett boot soles (found or modded shoes ok) SHOULD HAVE (Not required) - I think this should be required * Balaclava to wear underneath helmet MAY HAVE (Optional but acceptable) * Binoculars, "Star Wars" style lmk what you guys think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosi Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 It would also be fantastic if we can try to set a cammo pattern standard, going forward. We all know that the cammo is very difficult to duplicate, and all of our paint jobs are different from one another. This may make us look a bit odd when trooping with other KTs from other squads/garrisons. I actually used a cammo stencil for mine and it went pretty quickly. Perhaps if we were to choose a stencil, or maybe create one that can be printed, then cut out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Scout Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Nice idea Marc, but if you look at any real world camoed serviceman next to another they do not share the same camo pattern, they share the same style as their clothes are made with material that comes off the roll without any control of pattern. The CRL colours have been agreed, it maybe that a style of camo also needs to agreed upon. I know that mine and Purge's are very similar (it's probably because I used his as my inspiration.). This would mean that each KST would be unique but ultimately look very similar. I like the idea of being unique although thats not really clone thinking at all!! I most certainly agree with your point that camo is hard to duplicate, but imho I feel that an agreed style of camo should be easy to duplicate (having already done it, it's straight forward enough). What do you think brothers??? A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I would also go down the route of the camo being unique. If we can get the colours sorted that would be great. Mr Bungle and myself are always happy to send out colours on plastic so troopers can colour match too. I actually found the camo painting fun once I got the idea round my own anxiety. I dont want to go down the route of - "this" must be used.We could perhaps have a gallery of camo for the cleared CBs so new guys came have ref's? perhaps a description like "camouflage to look like screen used (not other references like toys or figures) - not too "busy" with ill-defined speckled edges, which are best simulated with a sponge" keep em coming boys! Nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Unique, but as close to screen accurate, and possibly similar to the other Kashyyyk Troopers. (Remember, we're dealing with CGI characters here, not some tangible actors costume.) Agreed that not everybody's painting skills will be the same. Some use sponges, others have air-brushes, and some use small craft brushes (me) to put on the camo. This is a costume that stands apart form the rest. Camo is difficult to replicate on the same style troopers, which are from different parts of the world. I also agree on the gallery of the cleared CB's, so future troopers can have an example, and maybe "blend" the ideas of others into their own. And I like the option of either the multi-cam fabric on the pouches, or a plain fabric and then add the camo colors. Not everyone will have access to the multi-cam. Not all the fabric stores will carry it. And, to the future CB's, when in doubt on the camo style, try a small part of the armor and give it some camo. Take a pic and ask opinions. We're always here to help answer questions and to promote the Kashyyyk Trooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 If we cane get more concensus on the gallery - will start a pinned section in the Kashyyyk Trooper HQ ok so suggesions so far - new wording for the camo paint job - cloth or multi-cam boxes - agree with you there Matt; and who knows, years down the line, it may not be so easily accessible too! - new gallery with the following rules + 1 post per cleared CB, as many pics as you like within that post + no comments like 'looks great' etc + any questions to be pm'd to the trooper direct + I will watch it to keep the thread neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 another thing guys - what do you think abt the black stripe detail on the back tank - optional or required? Nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Scout Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Nate, the black stripe detail can be seen and therefore I think it should be required. Getting the initial CRL nailed will hopefully save us the disruption that the scouts had recently when their CRL was tightened. As an aside, I've been studying various screegrabs and can safely say that all the KSTs in ROTS have a different camo job. Some are more different than others, so pick your favourite guy and go for it . A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimah Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I am excited to see we are closer to a CRL for the new CBs... Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I agree with Junglie Scout. The black tank stripe should be required. This thread is going in a very good direction. Nate, pm sent to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglie Scout Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 :D :D :D :D Totally agree Grumpy; good things will come from this. Also being half way through my KST I'd like not to have to change it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimlock Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 if certain items are required, can you least post a picture reference to it i.e. black tank strip What is the preferred method of multi-cam fabric on pouches first and if not available camp pattern fabric? just want to make sure my ducks in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 rofl Andy - that wont happen mate. for any CRL changes, there will be a grace period and no trooper will be left out in the cold mid-build thanks for feedback boys, will add in the black stripe in the CRL document. as per some fine discussions from Grumpy - streamlining of the gallery thread Rules for posting in the thread - statement in the 1st post listing the following rules, all cleared CBs welcome ! - posting for 501st cleared CBs only - each post to have be labelled forum nick name, cb #, garrison, real name, year of clearance Eg: Grumpy, CB4312, Ohio Garrison, Matt, 2010 - 1 post per cleared CB, as many pics as you like within that post - recommended are front, back, left side, right side, and then some detail shots? (Plus an "Action Pose") - no build or WIP pics - they can go elsewhere in the forum; you can however provide a link on the Gallery post. - poster will have access to edit their post to include upgrades over the years - no comments like 'looks great' etc, strict moderation will be enforced and posts deleted where appropriate to ensure the neatness of the thread - any questions to be pm'd to the trooper direct Now just to say to already cleared CBs, this isnt a thread that is going to be used to beat you over the head with, ALL cleared cossies are welcomed. Its been a long process of getting the details right on this cossie @Jason - mine doesnt have a tank stripe, but I am sure someone here will post it up. I will get some stripe for mine, and if someone doesnt do it before mine is complete, I'll do it Not sure I understand abt the preferred method for the multicam? I believe most people glue into or sew it over their pouches? Nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimlock Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Thanks Heatshock, I was curious what that stripe looks like, I am getting ready to paint within the month or so, that's if the weather cooperates here in Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 no worries Jason - here to help just checked back - Mr Bungle actually has the stripe on his - check out his tutorial http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?showtopic=5323&st=0 I was doing to use a 3mm or 6mm pin striping vinyl stickers that you get for motorcycle or car detailing Nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Okay, I'll stick this in real quick for Jason. Here are a couple of pics of the tanks with the black stripe. (Two different makes of armor.) I just used 1/8" black automotive pin stripe tape. After the base coat and camo colors have completely dried, add the stripe, and the give a coat of flat clear, to hold it on. Mine: (Older First Generation style tank) ...... My wife's: (Newer Second Generation MrB style tank) ... Sorry to interupt.....back to the CRL discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1970 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Been off BSN for a while ( overloaded with hundreds of CRL's on Clonetroopers.net LOL ) Agree with the Camo pattern, fix the range of colours, maybe describe methods of applying pattern ( sponge or dabbed with a brush like mine ) but it'll be impossible and impracticle to try and standardise the pattern itself. I'm also missing the pinstripe on my back tank, but if it's the concensus I'll add it using the black pinstriping vinyl that others have used. Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 soz interweb connection went down for me a few days deadline approaching guys - keep them ideas flowing! Nate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LENOX61 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Hey guys...... I agree the camo colors should definately be identical. As far as the camo, there really isn't two KT troopers which are identical. I also used a sponge to apply my camo pattern. I studied every frame from EPIII involving the KT trooper and depending on where in the sequence of events you see them, some camo appears to be defined (sharp edges) while others appear to be more digital or blended. In the opening frames of walking onto the beach front, those troopers walking near the Jedi's with the camera frame definately have a green tint to their armor. While observing the battle, the troopers on the cliff and the poor sap who looses his head with Gree have more of a tan / less weathered appearance. I think they would all be acceptable considering the different varibles of the pre and post fire fight. As far as the black stripe on the tank, like Darren.......I do not have one either. I just examined and studied the sequences (again) and there are plenty of stills (both close up and a far) from EPIII which do not show any clear, black pin striping. I know we are technically considered Clone Scouts and a part of the 41st Elite, but we are not Biker Scouts (at least not yet). Like Grumpy, I also like the idea of having reference pics in a gallery for future KT builds and future members of "The Swamp". I agree a variety of resources would be beneficial to anybody who wants to tackle one of the hardest costumes to build. As far as weathering, again......depending on the of sequence of stills, you have relatively clean armor, you have armor with dents, dings, chipped paint........and then you have getting blown apart with the Wookies. I personally enjoyed weathering my costume to reflect being in the trenches and in the middle of the fight. Nate- Thanks for this discussion and all of the ideas floating around. If the gallery does get a lift off, I would be willing to help out where-ever needed. Thank you Tom (again) for creating an amazing KT kit. Your accuracy with the little details (greeblies) and over all appearance is top notch which makes the KT character one of the best in the 501st. . That's just my 2.5 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimah Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Thank you Tom (again) for creating an amazing KT kit. Your accuracy with the little details (greeblies) and over all appearance is top notch which makes the KT character one of the best in the 501st. . That's just my 2.5 cents. Have to agree... I realize it is off topic, but thank you Mr B for being the father of the modern CB. Your kit is amazing and so many of us would not be proudly trooping swamp style without your hard work. Thank you for all of you effort, time, and support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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