journeymanprotector Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 I think 'light infantry' kind of hits it the mark. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentinel Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 They might not have been in that exact scene, but they are a very common part of the Republic's arsenal and probably used frequently by all troopers. The Juggernauts or (Turbo Tanks) would probably have carried them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted June 20, 2008 Author Share Posted June 20, 2008 They might not have been in that exact scene, but they are a very common part of the Republic's arsenal and probably used frequently by all troopers. The Juggernauts or (Turbo Tanks) would probably have carried them as well. Yes I understand that, thats the same as the AT-AT's that carried the speeder bikes for the Blizzard Force's that over took Echo Base on Hoth. Not seen in the movie but seen in the books. But we're getting away fom what is only seen in the movie, the only thing that is true canon is in the movies. So with that the only true BARC Troopers are the ones seen riding the BARC speeders. You never see the 41ts Elite riding the speeder bikes in the movie. You see them walking, running and riding in the swamp speeders but you dont see them in the swamp just on the beach fighting. Maybe someone can contact someone who works for ILM and find out the true name of the clones that made up the troops on Kashyyyks beach head battle in the movie. This would give us the true name of the clones fighting on Kashyyyk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonescout Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 Maybe someone can contact someone who works for ILM and find out the true name of the clones that made up the troops on Kashyyyks beach head battle in the movie. This would give us the true name of the clones fighting on Kashyyyk.[/color] We should have asked Steve at SSW...Anyone who had Questions after the Clone Movie show approached him and he took his time too! I wonder what his answer would have been! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonescout Posted June 20, 2008 Share Posted June 20, 2008 wasn't there another thread about this same issue floating around ? Mike...was this the link http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?showtopic=953 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherHalo Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 I'll chime in with my two imperial credits. This particular clone originally received the name BARC TROOPER from Hasbro's Episode 3 line of toys. Regardless the "canonical" reference, these toys still have to go through LFL's clutches to meet certain criteria, NAMES being one of those criteria. Which means, likely, LFL supplied the name BARC TROOPER to that figure. I'm sure that this concept was changed throughout the production process as they usually do. So the name BARC TROOPER didn't necessarily now fit the clone seen on a BARC Speeder by the time the movie was in the can. If we are going to get technical, the BIKER SCOUT was never mentioned as being a BIKER SCOUT on screen. They were only called that because of the toy. Now, with the need to name every little nuance and dongle in the SW universe (what are we now, Trekkies?) we have to come up with an appropriate NICKNAME for these troopers. Technically, they are the 41st Elite as provided by various source materials, including StarWars.com. That's about as canonical as you can get. The 41st Elite wear two different sets of armor in the movie, both pre- and during-Kashhyyk (or however you spell that damn planet). The armor they wear doesn't change who they are. Unfortunately, we can't just call them the 41st Elite, because they then will fall back under the Clonetrooper Detachment. And the purpose the Pathfinders and Clonetroopers mutually agreed to develop the costume here is because it is very similar to the BIKER SCOUT. Okay, that didn't clear anything up at all did it? I say, until some further information pops up, we still call them BARC TROOPERS in reference to the toy. Yes, it may be inaccurate, but it's the closest bit of reference we have as we have the BIKER SCOUTS from ROTJ. After all, Biker Scouts are just Stormtroopers with light infantry/recon armor as alluded to by madphisto and the SW.com database. In the same sense, the clones riding with Neyo on Saleucami could just be called Saleucami Troopers. But, that's just all my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Well at least for the Scout you have the proper designation as it remains a scout weather you call it biker scout or scout trooper . also the scouts we see in the movies act like that too. In this clone case we have nothing real handy coming in to clarify what this troop type is supposed to be except that we are sure this trooper is using an armor back-engeenered or related to the scout armor. It's worth to discuss this tpoic as we now face a shared designation due to people doing the costume we here at BSN call Barc and those who portray the clones on the speeders which don't seem to have designation yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I thought the same thing about the toys - they have to go through LFL and be given the green light prior to production. I also agree that the clones are the 41st elite - so they are a fast moving elite group that utilizes different armor and equipment on their excursions. Wasn't there a Clone scout (which I call a barc) riding a at-rt on the beach ? I'm sure there was, so it appears this unit utilizes many different forms of compact & quick moving equipment. 41st Elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 I thought the same thing about the toys - they have to go through LFL and be given the green light prior to production. I also agree that the clones are the 41st elite - so they are a fast moving elite group that utilizes different armor and equipment on their excursions. Wasn't there a Clone scout (which I call a barc) riding a at-rt on the beach ? I'm sure there was, so it appears this unit utilizes many different forms of compact & quick moving equipment. 41st Elite. Ive been thru the clips of these guys on Kashyyyk like a 100 times now and find none of them in this type of armor riding on anything other then the swamp speeder down in the lower left corner of the screen when we first see the battle doirds view of taking the beach when the Turbo Tanks are coming over the dunes. There are AT-RT's walking in the background off to the right but you can tell they have on diffrent armor. The kind of armor the drivers have on when they come up on the dead wookiees after order 66. The toy trooper name has also changed over the past years since the release of the movie, the Barc trooper is now called the Kashyyyk trooper. So with all of the following of the toy rule then Id say that toy makers were told to change the name. The name Kashyyyk Trooper would be the right nickname then and 41st Elite is the true name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'm totally confused and obviously no help, so you guys can debate this topic. Hopefully we can get something from an official LFL rep to find out what the deal is for a final resolution. over and out, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'm totally confused and obviously no help, so you guys can debate this topic. Hopefully we can get something from an official LFL rep to find out what the deal is for a final resolution. over and out, Mike Hey Mike I just went thru the video again for the 101th time and seen what you were talking about. There are what we call Barc Troopers riding the AT-RT's on the beach you really have to look for them. I wasnt looking for them before just the speeder bikes. OK so now we know these guys ride on the swamp speeder as well as the AT-RT. Mikes right you have to look close and fast for them on the AT-RTs during the beach attack just before Yoda gets attacked. Lower left side just after the swamp speeder goes by with 2 in it the AT-RT and then theres another one on the right running just before the Turbotank fills up the screen. Again you have to look for them. I went back to the first time we see Kashyyyk also and you can find them on the AT-RT's also running by fast in the background if you do a frame by frame. But still no proof of the BARC Speeder Bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNScout Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'm going to stick with Clone Scout Trooper and here is my reasoning: We never see them riding BARCs so that name is out. We do see them riding All-Terrain Recon Transports (AT-RT). Recon or reconnaissance just being a fancified word for scouting they apparently do serve the purpose of scouts. Plus the name Clone Scout puts them clearly in the "jurisdiction" of the Pathfinders detachment. Please feel free to blow holes in my logic at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladyghost4459 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 What does "BARC" stand for again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonescout Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 The 30 Anniversary figure has the name as KASHYYYK TROOPER on its card. The back of the card states: "Clone troopers from Sarlacc Battalions A and B accompany Yoda to Kashyyyk at the end of the Clone Wars. When Commander Gree receives Order 66, he motions for a trooper to assist him in attacking Yoda. The trooper like Gree, does not survive the encounter." The star wars SAGA colletion card back states...which was the first fig issued. ELITE CORPS CLONE TROOPER The specialized troopers in the 41st Elite Corps are deployed on the beach of Kashyyyk to battle forces invading from the water. Swarms of droids overrun the beach but the elite troopers hold the back, supporting thier Republic leaders.... until the Emperor orders the corps' commander to execute Order 66. I think the 41st Elite Kashyyyk Trooper!.. my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonescout Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 What does "BARC" stand for again? Biker Advanced Recon Commando (BARC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherHalo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Just saw this nugget o' info on the Star Wars Databank under the entry for BARC speeder: Behind the Scenes The BARC design was developed using the precedent of the Imperial speeder bikes in Episode VI. Though they are showcased on Saleucami, they can also be seen on Coruscant and were designed for use in the forests of Kashyyyk. Initially, Stass Allie was to be riding a BARC speeder, but to provide a greater link to the original trilogy, a more recognizable Aratech 74-Z speeder bike was used instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Just saw this nugget o' info on the Star Wars Databank under the entry for BARC speeder: yeah I read that to over on the starwars site but I have looked and looked for them on Kashyyyk and never seen them being used there. thats why I think the name change should be made to Kashyyyk trooper not BARC trooper. BARC stands for a speeder bike not a trooper. but then again Kashyyyk stands for a planet and not a trooper too. So I guess we would have to call them 41st Elite troopers and leave it at that. But thats alot of letters to throw out, so Kashyyyk trooper would be best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeymanprotector Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 If we are going to get technical, the BIKER SCOUT was never mentioned as being a BIKER SCOUT on screen. They were only called that because of the toy. Now, with the need to name every little nuance and dongle in the SW universe (what are we now, Trekkies?) we have to come up with an appropriate NICKNAME for these troopers. This makes complete sense. Up to this point, our names are firstly derived from the toy lines and media OTHER than the films. Scout Trooper, Biker Scout, Snowtrooper, Royal Guard, Death Star Trooper, Fleet Trooper, even TIE pilots because TIEs weren't referenced until ROTJ. Only the stormtroopers are identified by name in the original trilogy. Based on precedent I think "Kashyyyk Trooper" is the likeliest name so far. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherHalo Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 This makes complete sense. Up to this point, our names are firstly derived from the toy lines and media OTHER than the films. Scout Trooper, Biker Scout, Snowtrooper, Royal Guard, Death Star Trooper, Fleet Trooper, even TIE pilots because TIEs weren't referenced until ROTJ. Only the stormtroopers are identified by name in the original trilogy. Based on precedent I think "Kashyyyk Trooper" is the likeliest name so far. Phil Using that argument, Phil, then which toy do we reference? We've seen them referenced first as BARC TROOPERS, then most recently as KASHYYYK TROOPER. I'm more inclined to stick with 41st Elite, personally. But they aren't using the Phase II armor. So maybe we need to come up with a combination? 41st Elite/Light Infantry? 4ELI? (Yes, I'm being silly, I'm just throwing that acronym out there.) It's tough to even call them Kashyyyk Troopers. I mean, we see the AT-RT troopers there as well. But we designate those troopers as AT-RT troopers, because of the toys and because of the vehicles they command. These troopers are just plain ol' Clonetroopers. 41st Elite. With light armor similar to the Scout Trooper. Egads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeymanprotector Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Using that argument, Phil, then which toy do we reference? We've seen them referenced first as BARC TROOPERS, then most recently as KASHYYYK TROOPER. We disregard the 'barc' as an error and go with Kashyyyk Trooper. Just like we disregard 'death squad commando' from the original line and go with death star trooper or fleet trooper. And that's just my suggestion based on logic and precedent. Personally I think some kind of 'light infantry' is most applicable. Again, this is all academic for me though, I don't plan on making one or anything. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkeSword2020 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Just a small throw-in here, but what about calling them the Barc Scout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyBRiD Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 pardon me but since it's from a game by lucas.. i don't think there's much mistake in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest red_5 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 i think sticking with Kashyyyk Trooper, would be good. Since its been called that as a toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 pardon me but since it's from a game by lucas.. i don't think there's much mistake in it. Though sanctioned by LFL we experience a lot of inaccuracies within the merchandise world of Star Wars and Kenner/Hasbro ...even Lucas Arts are known for mistakes or individual interpretations of certain characters and equipment. Btw. since Clone Wars is now reveiled we have an answer to what we can call Scout Trooper within the ranks of the clone troopers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwflyboy Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Have to say the scout clones in the Clone Wars movie look great. The helmet is frickin awesome with a mixture of Biker Scout with EP II and III. And they are referred to as scouts. Yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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