Mazik Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 So it looks like everyone's mostly happy calling Commander Gree's unit (the Elite 41st Corps) by our chosen nickname of BARC Troopers, even though they were not the ones on BARCS. It makes sense enough considering we started with the final evolution which clearly has merged the ROTS barc riders with the 41st to make bikerscouts... Here's my question: Where's Commander Gree fall in this? His armor appears (please correct me if I'm wrong) to be regular Clone Trooper armor, repainted in camouflage, with some suspender looking straps. He commands the 41st Elite, which we're calling BARC troopers. Does the BARC project include him since he's different then his troops, or do we send that discussion back to CloneTroopers.net for their Clone Commanders forums? Just throwing a Cog in the wheel... well, because I like cogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 You stated the BARC's were not pictured or seen on the BARC bikes, However, in the scene just before Gree is killed as the scene pans up from the beach and the large republic attack transport rushes to the beach front, look very closely at the bottom left screen and you will see a BARC (our BARC) trooper seated on an AT-ST !!!!!!! It appears the BARC trooper was not the most "attractive" character as far as marketing was concearned. I belive the BARC (our BARC) trooper were originally on the BARC speeders but was removed from them to allow a more "toy friendly" clone to be seated there. I mean after all we don't see BARC troopers being sold that are sittng atop AT-ST's now do we ? - But it's in the movie...... Looks like Hasbro has GREAT influence on what sells and what don't..... Oh, yeah, I belive it was stated somewhere Gree "chose" to wear his standard issue clone bucket in lieu of the BARC bucket as a matter of personal choice and pride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazik Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 Oh, yeah, I belive it was stated somewhere Gree "chose" to wear his standard issue clone bucket in lieu of the BARC bucket as a matter of personal choice and pride. His armor too it looks like. But here's the next part of that question: The AT-RT driver's are wearing what looks like regular clone armor, painted camo, but with a bucket that looks 1/2 way between our BARCs and a regular clone, but the distinctive scout snout is there. ...I think we're going to have to add that bad boy into this project too! Hehehe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-1019 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Hasbro calling the lighter armor "BARC trooper" armor was unfortunate, because now everyone thinks they should be on bikes, when it's really Commander Neyo's guys you see riding on them. All "BARC" armor is is just a lighter version of armor, it's not a specialization of a stormtrooper like the biker scouts were in ROTJ. The 41st Elite normally wears the gray and white markings on standard Phase II armor. That is what they wore on Couruscant at the assembly point, when Yoda arrived in a LAAT/Ti to join them. En route to Kashyyyk, the troopers put on the lighter camo armor. They didn't miraculously become specialist troopers, they just changed clothes. As far as Commander Gree is concerned, he still wears his modified Phase II armor and, as such, falls under the responsibility of CT.net-- as would any 41st Elite trooper if they wore their standard gray and white. The AT-RT pilot falls under their responsibility as well, falling under the "CX-" designator. Someone there posted pictures of his AT-RT armor already, and he is even building a full sized AT-RT prop to go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 As that trooper we call Barc is evidently rooted in the Scout design I think it is ok to develop the costume here. However Gree and the RT-ST driver I think don't belong into this family tree if you ask me and should be left to CTN to look after. Except there was a general agreement that this board section was about to deal with all troop types deployed with the 41st. ...but I personally would leave at this one character as long as the discussion on these forums are concerned. As Army Scout foreshadowed this whole Barc venture might be an independent spin off in the future anyways. *hihi - Jay is always a step faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goose Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I could not agree more with 1019 and mad. Since this is the Scout Trooper detachment I believe just working with the 41st's jungle gear is more appropriate than working the entire division's ensemble. But, I can see where people would trust Hasbro with naming the trooper BARC trooper since Hasbro has never messed up a figure before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazik Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 I love being able to bounce this stuff off you guys. All things considered, we're all on the same page. One other thing in semi-defense of Hasbro and to throw another though out there. Anyone notice that some of the toys, including the BARC Troopers, came before the movie was released? With CGI graphics, is it at all possible that one trooper could have been switched out for another type of trooper with a few keystrokes? I'm way out of my league on the computer programming end of this, but if they used skeletal values with programmable applications to those skeletal tracings, would it have been possible that Hasbro had it the "BARC troopers" would be on the BARCs and then things were switched? I know I'm reaching, but making the wrong character to go on a vehicle, deliberately, seems nutty too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-1019 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Well, LFL has to give Hasbro (and other licensees) a long lead time for product design images, considering all the time required for things like mold production, packaging, manufacturing and shipping. Then there is George Lucas' penchant for tweaking the movie up until the very last movie, moving characters around, etc. This is especially easy when they are digital characters. For instance, Commander Bacara was supposed to be some kind of tank commander on Kashyyyk, but instead they moved him to Mygeeto. Another example is all those pictures of what Commander Bly was supposed to look like, wearing red instead of the mustard color. After GL thought the change of color looked better for the troops on Felucia, all the images of the red Bly were obsolete, but toys were made already. This is probably what happened with the BARC troopers. They probably were supposed to be seen riding speeder bikes, but then got swapped out for something else, but it was too late to change things on Hasbro's end. So I guess my point is that it's not always accurate to blame Hasbro when it was probably GL who changed things around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Goose Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 So I guess my point is that it's not always accurate to blame Hasbro when it was probably GL who changed things around. Oh, I know, I was just kidding since the toys sometimes have really different looks to the on screen counterparts. Upside down belts, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krayvan Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 All in all it seems that the BARC troopers were the clone ancestors (in armor form) to the scout trooper due to the fact that both have a visors and lighter armor for movement.. thus their a recon garrison but beyond that there are some other similarities such as the environment that both troops are put into.. both kashyakk and endor have woodland terrain but as we see BARC troops have a camo paint scheme and my theory is Lucas in the original trilogy couldn’t stray from the white armor without facing anal retentive critics (such as us..lol) but with the birth of the new series he actually had room to explore.. now for the fact of why don’t we see Gree in the BARC scout armor this could be because in the clip if he wasn’t in the phase II armor then there would be no way of the audience to separate him from any other clone without officer ranking.. I mean we are having this discussion on him but Yoda kills two people in the swing taking Gree's head so I ask who is the other BARC trooper? but all of this is just speculation I have no resources short of commonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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