BikerScout007 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Hello Pathfinders and future Pathfinders! Several months ago, a group of GMLs approached command about banning the WTF Scout helmet for approval. They pointed out that it violates the "Helmet is true to the shape of original screen used helmet" portion of the Level 1 CRL. We are inclined to agree. Command and the Armor team discussed the issue and the decision was unanimous: the WTF helmet will be banned for Level 1 after a 6-month grace period. Besides the overall inaccuracy of the helmet in appearance, we also note that it's an extremely challenging build, with many builders coming to us in frustration that they aren't able to get it to line up properly and some just giving up all together. We are hoping this decision will be good for all parties: builders, Walt's Trooper Factory, and the Legion as a whole. Now you may be asking, how is this good for Walt? I've been discussing this issue with him and he indicated to me that he was actually in the process of updating all his Scout parts. Additionally, he let me know that he has the rights to the Lone Wolf helmet, which as some of you may know, was the gold standard helmet for accuracy before RS Props and EFX came along. Now that begs the question... why wasn't he making those all along? But I'll leave that to Walt. So what's the TL;DR with a WTF v.1 (as we will refer to them going forward)? If you are already approved with a WTF v1, YOU'RE FINE. Legion grandfathering protects the wearers of already approved gear for as long as they are Active. HOWEVER -- if you sell your helmet to another costumer, that grandfathering no long applies and they would fall under the next step: If you already own a WTF helmet or are in the process of building one and you have NOT BEEN APPROVED YET, you have SIX MONTHS to get it done. So that means you must be approved by 10 AUGUST 2024. If you own a WTF helmet, but are RETIRED and want to reapply, you also have until 10 AUGUST 2024 to do so. When you are RETIRED but want to go Active again, it's like you are applying for the first time and your costume must be up to current spec. After 10 AUGUST 2024, specific language will be added to the CRL stating that the WTF v1 is no longer acceptable for basic approval. We hope this compromise works for the GMLs, the builders and Walt's Trooper Factory. If you have any questions or need any help with your build, please let us know and we will do our best to help you get it done before the deadline. Picture of the V1 helmet: 11 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserintheHood Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 It should go without saying that this was the right decision for the betterment of the Legion and future Pathfinders. Not to change subjects but now I'm curious if there are any details that can be shared about the Lone Wolf helmet? When did WTF acquire it and why are they not making them constantly now? I thought Lou (Darth Voorhees) had the LW molds now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 2 minutes ago, KaiserintheHood said: It should go without saying that this was the right decision for the betterment of the Legion and future Pathfinders. Not to change subjects but now I'm curious if there are any details that can be shared about the Lone Wolf helmet? When did WTF acquire it and why are they not making them constantly now? I thought Lou (Darth Voorhees) had the LW molds now? You'd have to ask Walt about that. I have no answers. PS. LW has licensed out his molds to a few makers. I believe CFO uses them with the Strider kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolajxl Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Out of curiosity, does this also apply for the WTF Rebels Animated Version of the scout helmet? The picture posted is of a more Rotj verison and does indeed look diffrent then other Rotj scout helmets I've seen but wording of this says just "WTF Scout Helmets" so want to make sure that it's referring to just live action helmets and those associated builds. Not that there are many of us Rebels Scouts nor is it a costume that is as popular, but I would like to have that clarified in the off chance someone talks with me about the kit I have. I'm 99% sure that I know the answer since I think the Rebels Scout CRL was made with his kit, but I don't want to assume anything 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted February 11 Author Share Posted February 11 5 minutes ago, Coolajxl said: Out of curiosity, does this also apply for the WTF Rebels Animated Version of the scout helmet? The picture posted is of a more Rotj verison and does indeed look diffrent then other Rotj scout helmets I've seen but wording of this says just "WTF Scout Helmets" so want to make sure that it's referring to just live action helmets and those associated builds. Not that there are many of us Rebels Scouts nor is it a costume that is as popular, but I would like to have that clarified in the off chance someone talks with me about the kit I have. I'm 99% sure that I know the answer since I think the Rebels Scout CRL was made with his kit, but I don't want to assume anything 😂 No not at all! This is only for the ROTJ style 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpool5150 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I am going to assume that this does NOT apply to the Remnant Scout (Mandalorian Scout) kits, only the ROTJ scouts? Especially since I was under the understanding that it was a WTF kit that was used for the show. Just asking for clarification given I know someone that might be making one and that was the direction we were going to go with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/26/2024 at 7:28 AM, deadpool5150 said: I am going to assume that this does NOT apply to the Remnant Scout (Mandalorian Scout) kits, only the ROTJ scouts? Especially since I was under the understanding that it was a WTF kit that was used for the show. Just asking for clarification given I know someone that might be making one and that was the direction we were going to go with it. FYI, The (now banned) WTF V1 helmet does not appear on the Mandalorian TV show. The helmets used in the show were the EFX scout helmets. I recommend you pass on the V1 WTF helmet for any Mando builds. Clarification Edit: The V2 WTF, the Lone Wolf helmet, is fine for Mando builds. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 8 hours ago, deadpool5150 said: I am going to assume that this does NOT apply to the Remnant Scout (Mandalorian Scout) kits, only the ROTJ scouts? Especially since I was under the understanding that it was a WTF kit that was used for the show. Just asking for clarification given I know someone that might be making one and that was the direction we were going to go with it. As Chopper says, it DOES apply to this CRL as well. Any CRL that uses the ROTJ Scout style helmet (so ROTJ, JFO, Mando, etc.) It would not of course apply to the Rebels Scout, which uses a totally different helmet (also made by Walt, btw). But again, the person in question has until AUGUST 10TH to complete their application if they are planning on using Walts V1 helmet. This does not apply to the V1 armor, but as I said above, Walt is phasing that out on his own and replacing it with a much better set. That has more to do with his molds wearing out after 7 years of use. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micahman6525 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Walt is coming out with new armor/ helmet in a month or two. Do you think this revisited kit will be approvable for basic approval? Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrofire Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Hi Micah! We really can't adjudicate it without seeing it. We do know that Walt is updating his bucks (molds) but we won't really be able to provide any insight until that is completed and there is a finished product. Please note that it's not the armor that will be banned but the helmet only. Walt has been working with the command staff on updates so we're looking forward to his changes. You can find a lot of information on the various armor vendors in the Biker Scout HQ here: As always the armorer staff is here to answer your questions so please feel free to post any questions you might have. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 Just to second Pete here, just know that the Detachment has been working very closely with Walt on his new armor kit. But it all depends on the final product. From what I've seen from his molds though, he should be good to go As for the helmet, Walt will be doing a license of the Lone Wolf, which, before RS Props and EFX came along, was the top-of-the-line, must-have Scout bucket. (Why he was never doing these from the beginning I will never know ) 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rduda Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I was looking at getting a kit from Walt, I asked him about this and this Washis reply: “The biker helmet fiasco was just this year. Around December. No kit left here since without the update helmet and updated armor.” Has the issue been resolved, are hishelmets ok to anyone knowlage? Its June 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 5 hours ago, Rduda said: I was looking at getting a kit from Walt, I asked him about this and this Washis reply: “The biker helmet fiasco was just this year. Around December. No kit left here since without the update helmet and updated armor.” Has the issue been resolved, are hishelmets ok to anyone knowlage? Its June 2024 To my knowledge, no one has posted a fully built WTF V2 armor or helmet kit on our forums. The quote below from our DL still stands. The V2 helmet should be fine, but it still depends on what the final constructed product looks like. On 4/1/2024 at 2:51 PM, BikerScout007 said: Just to second Pete here, just know that the Detachment has been working very closely with Walt on his new armor kit. But it all depends on the final product. From what I've seen from his molds though, he should be good to go As for the helmet, Walt will be doing a license of the Lone Wolf, which, before RS Props and EFX came along, was the top-of-the-line, must-have Scout bucket. (Why he was never doing these from the beginning I will never know ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rduda Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 So when they say they are working closely with them, that means, wait till some one buys one and puts all the work I to it and then hope its ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, Rduda said: So when they say they are working closely with them, that means, wait till some one buys one and puts all the work I to it and then hope its ok? First of all, "they" is us. We offered up all the resources we had available to help Walt make a new ARMOR kit. But that's only the armor. The helmet is a different issue. Walt has said he has access to the Lone Wolf helmet. If he starts making those, he will be fine. I have no idea if he has or hasn't. If someone has one of the new helmets or kits, we haven't seen them here yet. Lucky for you though, there are plenty of other vendors out there that have kits where the approvability is not a big question mark. Such as Studio Creations, MonCal, RS Props, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rduda Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Thank you for the information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clymer Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Does this apply to the Shadow Scout ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 Just now, Isaac Clymer said: Does this apply to the Shadow Scout ? The Shadow Scout belongs to the SpecOps Detachment. You would have to ask them over there. https://specops501st.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Clymer Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Ok thank you 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 Okay this change has been made. You all got an extra five days because I was having problems logging into the Wiki! The following language has been added to the ROTJ, JFO and Mando Scouts: Quote **Helmets considered disproportionate in size or shape are ineligible. This includes, but is not limited to, the Walt's Trooper Factory V1 Scout helmet. Walt is already offering his new helmet and armor, and the helmet is MUCH improved. Thanks to all the GMLs for bringing this topic to our attention and thanks to Walt for offering more accurate Scout gear! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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