ImperialWalker Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Hello All, I just got done printing the JESUS SALMERON version of the Scout Trooper helmet. My goal is to get to as close to accurate as possible working within the confines of that model. I'm not likely to ever do a full armour (perhaps if the helmet goes well), but I would like to get the helmet to as close as Lancer quality as I can for my own personal satisfaction. I've spent weeks looking up topics on here and while there is more information I could read in a lifetime, I can't seem to find information about a few things. Below are the questions I have and would appreciate any help. - What are the exact dimensions of the 3M Bolts? I have some in my shopping cart that were recommended on this site (with the concave indent). However, I am concerned they won't fit on this helmet as they look significantly bigger than the ones that came with the model. I am aware that because the 3D model isn't completely accurate the bolts can't be used as a pivot point, so they would be completely aesthetic, but I want to assure they fit before I order. In addition. It seems there are no accurate 3D models of these bolts available online. Would anyone be interested if I were to model some? - What is an updated snout paint list? Many threads from years ago recommend Testors paint for the snout. Unfortunately Testors brand is a shadow of its former self and sourcing the exact paint seems difficult if not impossible. With he line of current paints on the market (AK, Vallejo, etc.) I am looking for a modern equivalent to the colors recommended. - Accurate Snout Mesh and details? I've seen a few people recommend using strainers from the dollar store as mesh, but others say that a thicker wire is recommended. There seem to be a few kits for TK kits, but I haven't found much on these forums for the scout. What gauge and weave type should I be looking for? Also, I've seen a lot of helmets where the mesh seems filled in. Even on the original helmet it doesn't seem to be hollow. What are the standards for this in terms of detail. Should it be filled in? - Elastic Chin Straps I have read that 1" elastic webbing should be used for the chin strap. Is there a specific kind or will any elastic (in black) do? - Visor Material? All the links to the recommended face shield seems to be unavailable. I know with the TK the eyes are required to have a tint of green, but I can't seem to find any information on what is recommended in 2022 in terms of product, tint, etc. The Mando build group are using welding shields, but is this appropriate for this build? ... I think that is a good start. Thanks everyone. P.s. For those wondering, the attached photo is straight off the print bed. The snout greeblies are resin while the rest is PLA. I'll be doing a review on the Jesus helmet after this if you're interested and I'll try to remember to link it here. If I forget, remind me please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Okay let's see if I can help with these. I'm sure you've read the L2 standards, but for purpose of discussion I'll post them here: OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Snout greeblie is screen-accurate: it is an elongated plate with a rounded top, with a detail modeled after a Yamaha XS1100LG model motorcycle engine and sink aerator affixed to the bottom half. “Sticker” snouts are not acceptable. Helmet bolts are Gray 3M bolts or other replicas with concave centers. (Visible bolt head diameter of 22mm). Optional: For the 'Back and Cap' style bucket constructions, fill the seam around the top of the dome so it is not visible. Optional: A white chin cup is present in the helmet. A lot of the answers you are looking for are right there in the text. The 3M Bolts are 22mm in diameter. The "mesh" was made from a sink aerator and was actually molded along with the rest of the greeblies as one piece. So there is no hole. It's all filled in. Paint color -- we don't know what was used by the production so we don't specify. Rule of thumb is to use a gray that is close in color to your decals. Even for Level 2, a chin cup is not required. It's only optional. But if you look at the photos in the Scoutopedia it does appear to be an inch in width. The Hobart shield does still seem to be available, using the link in the Vendor list. Looks like you can currently get one for $9.99. You need to click "See All Buying Options" Hope this answers it all! Let me know if you need more help with this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, BikerScout007 said: Okay let's see if I can help with these. I'm sure you've read the L2 standards, but for purpose of discussion I'll post them here: Thank you! I read the standards, but I seemed to have missed the 22mm. Does anyone have an accurate STL of these bolts? I believe I found the snout greeblie on these forums somewhere. It had a few options one being a filled in aerator which I also printed, so I can add that one instead. I'll take a look in the vendors list. As a Canadian things can be a bit more difficult to source. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. These will get me on the right track for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 @MrPoopie did anyone model the bolts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPoopie Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I actually have a model somewhere but abandoned use of it since printed bolts wouldn't handle the stress of use. I can upload them if someone wants to try and print them in some super tough filament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrPoopie said: I actually have a model somewhere but abandoned use of it since printed bolts wouldn't handle the stress of use. I can upload them if someone wants to try and print them in some super tough filament. The Jesus S model can't accommodate the real bolts anyway because of his odd pivot design choice so they would be faux versions. It would be awesome to have the option. Getting real ones is cool, but they're $20 and I'm not even sure they would work. A printed version would at least allow me to play with it to see if it is worth getting a genuine one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPoopie Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, ImperialWalker said: The Jesus S model can't accommodate the real bolts anyway because of his odd pivot design choice so they would be faux versions. It would be awesome to have the option. Getting real ones is cool, but they're $20 and I'm not even sure they would work. A printed version would at least allow me to play with it to see if it is worth getting a genuine one. Makes sense. I might be able to upload the full screw version and a screw "topper" version so that people could just use normal bolts and put a printed head on it. This way they would be accurate as well as structurally sound. Let me see what I can do. Do you know the "Bolt" hole diameter of Jesus's helmet? This way I can model the "Topper" around something easily acquired and a specific size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, MrPoopie said: Makes sense. I might be able to upload the full screw version and a screw "topper" version so that people could just use normal bolts and put a printed head on it. This way they would be accurate as well as structurally sound. Let me see what I can do. Do you know the "Bolt" hole diameter of Jesus's helmet? This way I can model the "Topper" around something easily acquired and a specific size. That would be awesome! Thank you. I have attached some images of his bolts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, MrPoopie said: Makes sense. I might be able to upload the full screw version and a screw "topper" version so that people could just use normal bolts and put a printed head on it. This way they would be accurate as well as structurally sound. Let me see what I can do. Do you know the "Bolt" hole diameter of Jesus's helmet? This way I can model the "Topper" around something easily acquired and a specific size. Keep in mind, like I mentioned in my review, the JS helmet doesn't allow for the bolt to go all the way through. He, for some reason put the bolt/pivot point offset from the 3M hole so if you were to drill through it wouldn't line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 You can see how they're offset. This is just for the JS Helmet though. What you are suggesting would be awesome for many others and I suspect this helmet could be modded as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 You can always just cut off the large disc portion of the 3M bolt and glue that onto the side of the visor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Chopper said: You can always just cut off the large disc portion of the 3M bolt and glue that onto the side of the visor. That is basically the plan. The bolts here in Canada are $20 and would require some sawing and such to be able to glue on. I enjoy the idea of having genuine bolts on there (color, design, and authentic), but at the same time, $20 to saw them apart when I could 3D print an accurate version... If I can't get a 100% accurate version, I'll likely purchase the originals and do as you suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPoopie Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 On 3/4/2022 at 3:56 PM, ImperialWalker said: That would be awesome! Thank you. I have attached some images of his bolts. Sorry this took so long to get posted. Here's the files for the helmet bolts. there are a few different ones depending on what you're looking for. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fjpbqehb3m2a3o/Helmet Bolts v1.2.rar?dl=0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPoopie Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 You may need to scale it down just slightly. Make sure that if you scale it you also scale the nut to the same percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialWalker Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 4 hours ago, MrPoopie said: Sorry this took so long to get posted. Here's the files for the helmet bolts. there are a few different ones depending on what you're looking for. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fjpbqehb3m2a3o/Helmet Bolts v1.2.rar?dl=0 Amazing! Thank you so much for this. I am positive this will be helpful for a lot of people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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