Treadspeeder Driver CRL drafting

[BikerScout007]

THIS IS FOR THE REAL-LIFE VARIANT Treadspeeder Driver Model TB-92688, Photo by TB-36000   Visit the Gallery for this Costume for more models and parts views.     Description: Treadspeeder Driver Prefix: TB Detachment: PathFinders Context: Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker '   First Order Treadspeeder Drivers are specialized pilots who operate 125-Z Treadspeeder bikes. They frequently coordinated with Jet Troopers on the desert planet of Pasaana. This Visual Guide has been reviewed by the detachment staff and the LMO team and is certified for use as a minimum approval guideline for GMLs. GMLs are free to approve this costume type.   This document is not intended to be a detailed how-to on costume construction; rather a visual guide to be used for 501st costume approval. Details on construction may be found on the respective costume detachment web forum. GMLs uncertain about an aspect of submitted costume shall post questions in the appropriate DL/GML peer review section of the Legion forum. Measurements given in this document are intended to be approximate and generalized; not criteria for approval. Requirements for all 501st costumes are proportional to the wearer in scale, fit and size. Text descriptions are only one part of the guideline. GMLs and costumers must consider both text and pictures (CRL and Reference) when reviewing the costume.     Required Costume Components The following costume components are present and appear as described below.     Helmet Lenses are smoky brown or gray in color. May be bubble in shape or flat. Sufficiently dark enough to obscure the costumer's eyes. A single silver aerator/mic tip cylinder is on lower left side of the wearer's chin. The frown is solid black and covered in black hexagonal mesh that extends to the tears. Each tear (area beneath the corners of eye lenses) is solid black. Seven cut-out tube stripe slots are on each side of the helmet. Two clip greeblies are present over the traps on the side. Two clip greebles are present on the top of the helmet, parallel to the trap greeblies. Along the base of the helmet a black stripe runs from the side of the helmet and across the back to the other side. A slight groove circumvents the helmet above the brow. A slight grove circumvents the helmet along the bottom and over the chin. A brow of solid black material spans from the traps over the lenses. A small trapezoidal stripe is directly below the traps toward the base of the helmet.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Helmet is TLJ/TROS version. Mouth area is angled and has 7 teeth with mesh/grill behind. The clip greeblies must be the correct TLJ/TROS version.       Neck Seal Black with horizontal ribs. Fitted to the wearer. Extends from the base of the neck to conceal the entire neck. No hair or skin should be visible around the neck area.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The neckseal has a glossy finish.       Chest Plate The chest plate overlaps the abdominal plate. The center-top of the chest plate is recessed and black on the side and upward facing edges. A logo consisting of five black aurebesh-type characters followed by one red symbol is beneath the recess. A smaller clasp greeblie is present on each side of the chest, just inside a small indented area the size of the greeblie. A slight groove runs vertical on each lateral side of the chest that angles toward the center. Six recessed black ovals are on the wearer's right side, left of the greeblie.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Grooves on sides of chest should show clear separation. Six recessed black ovals are cut out and backed with black material.       Back/Yoke The back plate contains a "O II" design, and the O is black in color. No visible seams on the back/yoke. The yoke portion extends over the wearer's shoulders and curves under the armpits.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There are no support tabs.       Thermal Detonator The mounting plate sits under the back plate and rests above the belt. The control panel is black. The right-hand recessed end cape is black. The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is black all around the cylinder as well as the end surface. The left-hand end cap extends from the detonator assembly and is all black. No visible seams.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Small section of black around the base of the left extended end cap shall be present.       Shoulder Gaskets Rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. Cover all exposed areas under the shoulder bell, between the bicep and chest, and between bicep and back.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Gaskets are black rubber.       Shoulder Armor Symmetrical. May be worn interchangeably on either shoulder. Shoulders have small round extension at the top under the bell itself that butts up against the yoke.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Upper corner on shoulder bell is squared off instead of rounded.       Biceps Biceps have one seam that faces forward, and a seam on the inside of the arm. The rest of the bicep is seamless. A clip greeblie is present low and across the front seam. Two black ovals are present on the outside-facing side of the bicep. Portion of bicep facing wearer is painted gloss black in an angled fashion that includes the clip greeble.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):       Elbow Gaskets Rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. Cover all exposed areas between the bicep and forearm.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Gaskets are black rubber.       Forearms A ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, is embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape. Has a box on the bottom the wrist end. Each box has a single black square in the lower inside corner. Two 'clasp greeblies' are on the outside facing surface, near the wrist. Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist. Portion of forearm facing the wearer is painted gloss black.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The third retaining button head on the ridged rail, closest to the elbow, is a silver M5 dome head bolt.       Gloves/Hand Plates Black with white palm, thumb and forefinger. Extend underneath the forearm. White area is leather or leather-like material. Handplates are rigid square boxes mounted securely over the back of the glove. The recessed oval detail is aligned with the index finger of each hand.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):       Abdomen Wraps around the wearer's body without a visible seam. 7 boxes are attached matching the order and placement shown against the armor. The large box has a small black recessed square on the lower left to the wearer. The second box to the right of the wearer has a small black recessed rectangle near the top.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): The boxes should sit against the abdominal plate with minimal to no gaps.       Codpiece Sits below the abdomen and under the belt.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Codpiece is TLJ/TROS version.       Posterior Armor Sits below the abdomen and under the belt. The top portion of the armor connects to abdomen armor underneath the belt.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):       Belt Ribbed and made from a rubber or rubber-like material. There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. Painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half. One horizontal box has an indent running vertically just off center. 2 large vertical black cloth pouches with a white cover are behind the left side and right sides of the wearer. 2 small black cloth pouches are worn on the left side and right sides one of which hides the buckle or remaining belt material.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt width is approximately 2 inches (50mm).         Trousers White, loose-fitting material. Front of thighs have seams running from the groin area to just above the knee, creating ribs. There are corresponding ribs on the backsides of the legs which stop roughly halfway across the back of the thigh. Batting is used to give the ribs a raised appearance.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Trousers are one complete garment with no added panels to give appearance of screen used pants. Trouser ribs are approximately 1 inch (25mm) apart. Have seams above the knee area, running down the inside of the thigh to the ankle, and around the briefs area.       Knee Armor White and curved. Top angles down sharply on the sides. Bottom angles up gradually on the sides. 9 raised ribs run vertically down the plate.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):       Knee Gaskets Rubber or a shiny black material with ridges. Only visible between the bottom of Knee Plates and top of Shin Plates. Narrower than knee plates.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Gaskets are black rubber.         Shins Cover front of wearer's leg from just below the knee to the ankle. Curve out to the outside of the wearer's leg. Strapped to the wearer's leg with two black elastic or webbing straps. One white clip greeble is attached to each strap on the outer side of each leg. Clips are the same clips used on the forearms and biceps, but scaled accordingly to match the width of the leg straps. Oval indent visible approximately 1/3 way up the outer side of each Shin Plate. Each side of the Shin Plates should have 4 “vent” recesses facing forward. Front of Shin Plate is covered with a separate cover plate that curves outward slightly where it meets the boot. Top of front plate has a recessed oval at the top.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Shin straps are 1 inch (25mm) wide.       Boots Alpinestar-styled motorcycle sport/racing boots. Painted white. Soles remain black. Extend up to wearer's calf.   OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots are Alpinestar SMX 6 v2 Boots with logos removed and painted white.

[Gruntsky]

First impressions...

This CRL looks to be the TFA FOTK, not the TLJ CRL, which I believe the Treadspeeder TK should be. The helmet 'frown' for one thing, the bucket having the 'teeth' not the plain grid.

Biceps and Forearms: Not sure if they are different parts or just the same parts with a different paint job. Bells seem to be the same.

Chest: Needs stickers/painted decals on the middle.

Belt and Ab section look to be the same as the TLJ FOTK, but the undersuit changes from waist height to the white coloured material.

FOTK codpiece looks to be similar as well.

 

I've heard somewhere that the Treadspeeder boots are actually moto X boots, but will need confirmation.

Shins and knees appear to be new styles.

 

[Gruntsky]

Found this one online as I was having a look around. The Treadspeeder Driver appears to have a new shaped butt plate too

[BikerScout007]

1 hour ago, Gruntsky said:

First impressions...

This CRL looks to be the TFA FOTK, not the TLJ CRL, which I believe the Treadspeeder TK should be. The helmet 'frown' for one thing, the bucket having the 'teeth' not the plain grid.

Biceps and Forearms: Not sure if they are different parts or just the same parts with a different paint job. Bells seem to be the same.

Chest: Needs stickers/painted decals on the middle.

Belt and Ab section look to be the same as the TLJ FOTK, but the undersuit changes from waist height to the white coloured material.

FOTK codpiece looks to be similar as well.

 

I've heard somewhere that the Treadspeeder boots are actually moto X boots, but will need confirmation.

Shins and knees appear to be new styles.

 

Cool. I'll swap it out.  This was just meant to be a start, not the end.  I don't believe in reinventing the wheel if half the work has already been done. 

[Gruntsky]

5 hours ago, BikerScout007 said:

Cool. I'll swap it out.  This was just meant to be a start, not the end.  I don't believe in reinventing the wheel if half the work has already been done. 

Completely agree mate  

[BikerScout007]

5 hours ago, Gruntsky said:

Completely agree mate  

Swapped in the TLJ CRL!

[Harbinger]

FISD is updating the TLJ CRL so I’d ping the DL to make sure you are using the most up to date info.

[BikerScout007]

7 hours ago, Harbinger said:

FISD is updating the TLJ CRL so I’d ping the DL to make sure you are using the most up to date info.

@gmrhodes13 is on staff for FISD, and since he's the guy that's building this thing, I'm sure he'll be on top of the latest CRL changes that may affect the Treadspeeder Driver!

[BikerScout007]

@gmrhodes13 -- needs some FISD expertise on this

The body helmet and body are pretty much FOTK.  But it looks like the Shoulders, forearms and handplates are different.  Not sure on the origin?  Is that like the Jet Trooper?  Or are they the same as this guy (Sith Jetpack Trooper?):

[gmrhodes13]

There were a few different versions of Treadspeeder rider seen in EPVII, the one you show above is the CGI version which has quite a few differences similar or the same as a Jet Trooper, they may just have taken some references from other costumes like the Jet trooper.

Below the CGI does appear to use the same pieces as the Jet Trooper. Both CGI and Movie use the ribbed pants.

 

The realistic movie version uses the same pieces as a regular FOTK apart from the shoulder bells are not rounded on the inner corners and everything below the belt is also different, pants, knee armor, boots.

  

The comic version also matches the realistic movie version

 

Could very well mean two CRL's, Movie and CGI.

 

 

 

 

[BikerScout007]

Yeah we are in the process of doing a CGI version, I'm just trying to figure out the arm bits.  

When it comes time to the live action version we'll probably just add a tab to the CRL.  

Thanks for the guidance!

[gmrhodes13]

A couple of the images used in the CRL draft are TFA and will need updating.

Here are a few references of those differences

 

 

 

 

 

[BikerScout007]

Those are all L2 differences as far as this CRL is concerned.  For basic, if it looks right at a glance to most folks, that's good enough.  We'll try to get them as close as we can but it's not going to be my top priority.  

The CRL images I've used in the draft are just placeholders for now, and I literally cut and paste them from the TLJ CRL.  So if they are wrong here, it's because they are wrong there.  That's something FISD would need to fix on their end.  

[gmrhodes13]

FISD is long overdue for updates on the TLJ FOTK, hopefully that will be starting soon.

Just thought I would point them out here in case anyone is starting on a build  

[BikerScout007]

1 hour ago, gmrhodes13 said:

FISD is long overdue for updates on the TLJ FOTK, hopefully that will be starting soon.

Just thought I would point them out here in case anyone is starting on a build  

We're going to try our best to nail the look!  I appreciate all your input

[gmrhodes13]

Higher level detail for the detonator. End cap extends into the TD housing, slot on top of housing and rear panel are cut out showing the inner tube.

Also separation between TD housing and mounting plate

[MrPoopie]

CRL Adjustments

 

 

Biceps

• Biceps have one seam that faces forward, and a seam on the inside of the arm. The rest of the bicep must be seamless.
• A clip greeblie is present low and across the seam.
• Two black ovals are present on the outside-facing side of the bicep.
• Portion of bicep facing wearer is painted gloss black in an angled fashion including clip greeble.

Forearms

• Forearms shall have have ridged rail, similar to a picatinny, embedded on the inside of the forearm, roughly covered 1/3rd by a box shape.
• Inside of forearm is painted gloss black.
• Forearms shall have a box on the bottom the wrist end. Each box shall have a single black square in the lower inside corner.
• Each forearm shall have two 'clasp greeblies' on the outside facing surface, near the wrist.
• Detail box includes black rectangle on small edge perpendicular and closest to wrist.
• Portion of forearm facing the wearer is painted gloss black with a slightly wavy edge including the 2 clip greebles.

Belt

• The belt is ribbed and made from a rubber or a rubber like material. The width of the belt is approximately 2" (50mm).
• Five white rectangular boxes and one pouch sit on the belt.
• There are 2 horizontal boxes on the front, on each side of the center. They are painted white on the outside half and black on the inside half.
• One horizontal box has an indent running vertically just off center.
• There are 2 vertical boxes on the right of the wearer.
• There are 2 large vertical black cloth pouches with a white cover behind the left side and right sides of the wearer.
• A are 2 small black cloth pouches worn on the left side and right sides one of which hides the buckle or remaining belt material.

Trousers

• White, loose-fitting material.  
• Front of thighs have seams running from the groin area to just above the knee.
• There are corresponding seams on the backsides which stop roughly half way across the back of the thigh.
• Seams are approximately 1 inch apart, creating ribs on the front of the trousers.
  • Batting is used to give the ribs a raised appearance.

Knee Plates

• White and curved
  • Top angles down sharply on the sides.
  • Bottom angles up gradually on the sides.
• 9 raised ribs run vertically down the plate.

Knee Gaskets

• Gaskets shall be rubber or a shiny black material with ridges.
• Gaskets are only visible between the Knee Plates and top of Shin Plates
• Width should be smaller than knee plates

Shin Plates

• Cover front of wearer's leg from just below the knee to the ankle.
• Curve out to the outside of the wearer's leg.
• Strapped to the wearer's leg with two 1 inch elastic straps or webbing straps.
• One white clip greeble is attached to each strap on the outer side of each leg. Clips resemble the same clips used on the forearms and biceps but scaled accordingly to match the 1” width of the leg straps.
• Oval indent visible approximately 1/3 way up the outer side of each Shin Plate.
• Each side of the Shin Plates should have 4 “vent” recesses facing forward.
• Front of Shin Plate is covered with a separate cover plate that curves outward slightly where it meets the boot. Top of front plate has a recessed oval at the top.

 

[MrPoopie]

Optional

 

SE-44C Pistol

• Based on a replica Glock 17 repeating pistol, scratch-built, or a modified commercial Stormtrooper toy.
• Details to be painted black, white and silver per reference photos.

[BikerScout007]

Okay at this point all the text and most of the photos are in the Wiki.  Still need better Front/Back for the main pic (with the pants pulled up by suspenders to keep them from sagging at the top) and pics of the new knee armor.  

[BikerScout007]

Question -- the CGI version has desert/sand weathering.  The real life one doesn't seem to.  Do we have any references showing desert weathering on the real life version?

[MrPoopie]

2 minutes ago, BikerScout007 said:

Question -- the CGI version has desert/sand weathering.  The real life one doesn't seem to.  Do we have any references showing desert weathering on the real life version?

Not that I know of. The BTS shots as well as the promo shot and even the toy are all "clean".

Clean will also help with transitioning other FOTKs into this costume, not that we need to base any choices on this, but it's helps with butts in armor.

[BikerScout007]

The main post has been updated to contain all the current CRL text and pictures.  We are still missing the knee armor and a new front/back

I have added in Level 2 details, based on the ones over at FISD and the own peculiarities of this particular trooper.

It's my goal for someone to be able to have a Level 1 Treadspeeder Driver with either TFA or TLJ style armor.  For Level 2, TLJ/TROS armor will be required where needed.  I don't expect this to be the next blockbuster costume, so I'm not going to make it even harder for someone to get Level 1 for this one.  

[MrPoopie]

I've got a few changes for Lvl 2. I'll list them shortly. 

Would you mind listing your Lvl 2 additions here? 

[BikerScout007]

1 minute ago, MrPoopie said:

I've got a few changes for Lvl 2. I'll list them shortly. 

Would you mind listing your Lvl 2 additions here? 

Everything is in the top post

[MrPoopie]

• We still need a correct image for the shins that has the straps reversed with clips on the outsides.
• Forearms Lvl 2 - On the ridged rail the third retaining button head closest to the elbow is a silver M5 dome head bolt.

 

Why does the FOTK have a Lvl 3 when it barely has entries for Lvl 2? It's like they just skipped Lvl 2 and wanted to have a Lvl 3 to seem cool. Just nitpicking here.