4505Marcel Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Hey troopers I want to give fair notice of a pouch flap amendment to the lancer "ONLY" CRL that we want to make, this has beed discussed and I feel it is time to amend the lancer CRL. Basically It has never really been an issue as most troopers and bund vendors seem to follow our correct patterns, we agree and looking at screen grabs pouches are made with hidden non visable sitiches. But lately we have noticed that vendors are supplying pouches with stitches running around the outer edges and also where the velcro is attached can be seen. Now this is fine for standard clearance I guess but we feel that the stitches should be invisable for lancer as per movie. From what I see the cod id made the same way with no visable edge stitches Nothing major but needs to go in, just to help future lancers building or purchasing incorrect parts Thoughts and views guys? As you were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sentry02 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Any images of what you're referring to? Forgive me for not being able to visualize this, but a reference or comparison pic would help since I'm working on my Lancer stuff right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 From what I can see, the pouches have no visible seams on the front of the flaps. Its the two layers of fabric sewn together and ironed flat. You can see the 1/2" seam allowance under the fabric as the weathering often enhances the subtle bump. I know this pic is from the MOM exhibit and not the blu ray, but you can see the stitching for the velcro on the outside including the diagonal stitch. http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/bikerscout/images/washko_058_mvc-336f.jpg I also agree that the cod has no visible edge seam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjsavage7 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for bringing this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 MOM is abit hit and miss for accuracy, I was looking at screen grabs and cant see the velcro attachment stitches. Brad if you look at the picture Terry posted there is no visable stitch lines running around the edges on the flaps. Basically they are made in side out and then turned right way round which then hides the stitches. Some pouches are now being made with a visable stitch line around the edges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loosetoon Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I'll have to look at the blu-ray. The MOM pic posted above definitely shows the Velcro stitches as visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySewForUs Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I have been "top-stitching" the pouches for years. But I have no problem with not top-stitching. I have no problem with attaching the velcro so that it is not seen from the front. Just say the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandeman Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I thought that was the way it was to be done all along. Good call to make it official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southscout Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 For a blu-ray capture, you can check these: http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg513/Southscout1/TB/Stills/screenshot002.png http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg513/Southscout1/TB/Stills/screenshot008.png No stitching is seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 As said above in those grabs posted, you can clearly see that the pouch is turned inside out and the return can be seen inside just. Is everyone happy for the no stitches to be added to lancer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySewForUs Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 As said above in those grabs posted, you can clearly see that the pouch is turned inside out and the return can be seen inside just. Is everyone happy for the no stitches to be added to lancer? Can you please clarify what you mean with this statement, "and the return can be seen inside just." ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think what Marcel means is that there's no visible stitches anywhere on the exterior of the pouch, and that the seam allowance is folded over, ironed flat but "visible" under the surface of the fabric. I enhanced the screen capture above, is this diagram correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Note, I know the MOM images aren't considered 100% accurate, but in the image above with the lighting enhanced in Photoshop, you can see some kind of "square" in the area of the velcro attachment on the flap. I'm fine with going either way (velcro stitch visible or not), I just wanted to point that out for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySewForUs Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I think it would be a bit excessive if we are to state "the inside seam allowance must be 3/8" or must be 1/2" " I do think that is a bit much. Marcel, as you know, I do not normally argue over any requirement, but I will argue against requiring a certain measurement of seam allowance. (Even the Fett's are not THAT anal, lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 I only put that there as an example. Happy to change or remove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chimei Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 1) as someone who sews, i'd definately say "no top stitches" around the edge of the flaps. the reality is that there needs to be a seem turned insideout anyway...even before a top stitch is put in place to avoid the cut ends from fraying and pulling out of the seem. this change would simply mean that an addition step (top stitching) would be skipped. 2) that pic seems to have a squre-like demarcation...clearly dirty, but a little to "square" to be random dirt. however, if there are other scren caps that show "no velcro square" to be more screen accurate, i'd be happy to fix my pouch flaps...and it should be in the CRL for Lancer. 2) removing the top stitching for the velcro square would mean that the velcro square would need to be sewn to the right side of the fabric first...and the two pieces of the flap would be placed together (right sides together), sewn at 1/4", 3/8", etc. and then turned out. presto! no top stitching of any kind... 3) as for what seam allowance to use? this really depends on any other adjustments made to be sure the pouch looks proportional in the end. a 1/4" allowance is pretty typical though. that's my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 There will be no seam allowance measurment, thats just going a little too far. Yes Terry you are correct in what I was trying to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 Might be my screen but I still cant see the velcro square/stitches in those pics, but as with the turned in edge seam the dirt could still pick out on the raised area as with the square of velcro even from the other side as it does stick out a touch when I iron mine flat still. I feel no visable stitches any where is best??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySewForUs Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Sounds ok to me.... and I will be implementing this from today onward..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PredatorMV Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 As for someone else who makes pouches and bunds I feel that the visible velcro stitching isn't much of a big deal, it is pretty difficult to see in those pics if it is really there or not. I mean you are looking for white thin thread on a white cloth at a distance on film after all. Attaching the velcro after the pouch is put together makes much more sense and makes assembly much easier. I do agree on the no top stitching along the edges that is pretty clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Note: I have updated the diagram on the previous page and I have posted it below as well. Currently, I labelled it with "no stitches for the velcro" visible on the outside. It would need to be sewn on the inner flap before the pouch is sewn together. If at some point we find a Blu Ray screen capture with detail that shows the velcro closure stitching, super-detail-seeking-scouts can easily sew the box and diagonal stitch on top of the flap to add the detail. Hope this diagram helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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