neck seal Why stormtrooper neck seals for Scouts?

[TB-7076]

As it was brought up and I still don't get it I want to open up the final discussion on this issue.

 

Do Scouts have neck seals or not?

 

As I'm not following this thesis I'd like the supporters to open up and show their evidence for this claim.

Please try to convince me; I'm open to new insights.

[Arnie]

I watched the BR fbf yesterday, actually looking for the cummerbund rasied areas, but tried to look at the overall scout as well, and I didnt see any of the scouts have a neckseal. Sometimes their balaclava went over the jumpsuit, making their necks look thick. Otherwise, the only place I have seen a neckseal, is on the 360 scout, and I believe thats because its static and the neckseal probably helps tying the costume together.

[Griffin-X]

There was no neckseal, that we are aware of...only a balaclava.

[bjsavage7]

Unlike the Stormtrooper, we still don't have very thorough concrete reference for the Scout costume, other than what we can see in stills. Perhaps some did have neck seals, and others didn't. We've already seen that some greeblies were upside down & some weren't. Some images were flipped, while others weren't. So even some screen reference is questionable.

Also, just because something was thrown together from the archives, doesn't mean it's quite right. For example, even the Star Wars Visual Dictionary has incorrect code cylinders shown for officers, and everything in that book was supossed to be screen-used. I believe we should focus on what was intended for them to be wearing. The Scout who had his uniform stolen by the Rebel Trooper had a balaclava on. That pretty much says to me that that's what they were intended to wear, or else we would have seen the rebel with a neck seal.

[Pandatrooper]

Unlike the Stormtrooper, we still don't have very thorough concrete reference for the Scout costume, other than what we can see in stills. Perhaps some did have neck seals, and others didn't. We've already seen that some greeblies were upside down & some weren't. Some images were flipped, while others weren't. So even some screen reference is questionable.

Also, just because something was thrown together from the archives, doesn't mean it's quite right. For example, even the Star Wars Visual Dictionary has incorrect code cylinders shown for officers, and everything in that book was supossed to be screen-used. I believe we should focus on what was intended for them to be wearing. The Scout who had his uniform stolen by the Rebel Trooper had a balaclava on. That pretty much says to me that that's what they were intended to wear, or else we would have seen the rebel with a neck seal.

 

Agreed. The rebel that wears the Scout uniform was Nik Sant and you can clearly see he has was not wearing a black balaclava when he had the camo rebel costume on, but when they enter the bunker and he puts the helmet on (behind Han Solo) you can see he already has the balaclava on before putting on the scout helmet. See pics below (you can see the balaclava more clearly in motion in the video).

 

IMO, the TK style neck seal is simply a display piece to make it look more "high tech" than a simple black balaclava for exhibit / close view purposes.

[Pandatrooper]

 

[Dart]

Otherwise, the only place I have seen a neckseal, is on the 360 scout, and I believe thats because its static and the neckseal probably helps tying the costume together.

 

Actually, the only reason there was a neckseal on the 360 scout is because they were being lazy and kept the TK undersuit on the dummy instead of getting a proper undersuit (which was probably on tour).

 

Never was a neckseal.

[4505Marcel]

Id be in the no neck seal camp just balaclava for me

[lonewolf]

It isn't a Stormtrooper neckseal on the Blu Ray Biker Scout, unless the ROTJ Stormtroopers had this type of neckseal. It could be a Biker Scout neckseal, and made especially for the Biker Scout.

It is a wider ribbed black cotton type material, unlike the Star Wars Stormtrooper neckseal. I will try to get the picture of the Biker Scout in the movie with the wide type/Blu Ray neckseal.

[Southscout]

I don't see any neckseal in this. Only a collar...

 

[Chef]

I'm still on the fence.

 

check this picture from our very own Gallery. To me, this looks like a balaclava that's been pulled down around the neck (probably because he was sweating like a pig in that lid!), so no neck seal.

 

http://forum.bikersc...llery&image=347

 

I'd also use this picture to question the 'chin cup' thing too, as you can clearly see a fleshy bit under the snout of the lid, where you'd expect to see a chin cup (but that's another argument entirely.

 

 

But then, check this one out....

 

http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?app=gallery&image=359

 

Just to the right of the snout as we look at it, there does appear to be a ribbed section.

 

I'd like too check my Blu-rays, but they seem to me MIA.

[automaton]

I'm still on the fence.

 

check this picture from our very own Gallery. To me, this looks like a balaclava that's been pulled down around the neck (probably because he was sweating like a pig in that lid!), so no neck seal.

 

http://forum.bikersc...llery&image=347

 

I'd also use this picture to question the 'chin cup' thing too, as you can clearly see a fleshy bit under the snout of the lid, where you'd expect to see a chin cup (but that's another argument entirely.

 

 

But then, check this one out....

 

http://forum.bikersc...llery&image=359

 

Just to the right of the snout as we look at it, there does appear to be a ribbed section.

 

I'd like too check my Blu-rays, but they seem to me MIA.

 

An interesting thing to note about the two images you linked to is that the first was from the on location shoot and the second was from the in studio blue screen shoot. I don't know which was shot first, my guess would be the studio, but the costume could have been tweaked between the two shoots.

[Chex]

To me it looks like the mandarin collar was just pushed down a little, resulting in a ribbed look, but nothing more then a fold in the collar. I say no neck seal.

[M.J]

Chef the photos you have produced manly the second one, that looks like a neck seal, the ribs are too formal to be pushed down.

I went through the movie on my Ipad and took photos like everyone else, it seems we are having great difficulties finding the answer, has the thought come across anyone that some actors had the balaclava and one or two had the neck seal? I would say they doubled up on their stunt actors (stormtroopers) and some had kept the item on?

[Chef]

I personally think the ribbing is a bit too uniform to be just folds. When my Blu-Rays finally surface (someone has hidden them), I'll have a look.

 

I have the same issue in that I cannot transfer them to a decent screen capture, but I can at least get a frame time to pass on to someone else so they can grab it.

 

I currently am of the opinion that there may have been one worn, but not by all. So whether it classes as a 'must have' as part of the canon rules, I'd have to say no.

 

Same sort of thing for Mr No Stripes, or the grappling hook utility belt in the TK world.

[lonewolf]

If we can agree that the possibility of at least one Biker Scout wearing a neckseal, quite possibly the same one as seen on the BR prop display, then I think it should be "allowed" as a valid part of the costume.It is not a mistake like "Mr No Stripes" or other types of costume malfunctions. If it was added to the costume there was a reason to add it, padding for the stuntman's neck or just because wardrobe thought it was needed on these close up scenes?

 

Agreed the evidence is difficult to say for certain, but we shouldn't rule out the BR prop as it does look like a very similar neckseal to the one some of us see on the Biker Scout screen grab. And as others agree, if we are just seeing a rolled up balaclava, the wrinkles look too evenly spaced, but it could be just that.

 

I would continue to always wear a balaclava due to the large front of a Biker Scout helmet and as I know this is how it was "supposed" to look under the lid.

We are relearning about the details of this costume all the time which is great