lonewolf Posted June 10, 2012 Author Share Posted June 10, 2012 Great post Phil, very well thought out. I am mainly concerned with the number of ribs on the cummerbund on this thread. I do think my OP is still accurate as I have seen nothing to overrule it. And it seems nobody is saying anything different to what I said. Yes on the other differences in this costume, mainly the neckseal, I think it cannot be ignored for standards as it is in the movie. I also think we would all still wear a Balaclava with the neckseal due to the design of the helmet and the fact that we see a Biker Scout [Nik Sant] wearing a balaclava. I do think not allowing an accurate neckseal for the standards is incorrect. But it would need to be a different type to the Stormtroopers. This could be sorted on another post. I would like to hear other guy's views on these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 My main concern was that people still have problems to recognise MOM and BR manequin references while it is obvious that the main parts must be originals and only few things like the red tab on tank and crazy arrangements at times (snowtrooper) or missing parts are not an evidence that the whole reference can't be trusted. It was brought up as a weakness point in the argument for the stitches. Sorry that I made a complete statement out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Spent the night watching the BR fbf and where ever I could I counted ribs. There where never more than five in any frames. Only managed to take pictures with my camera, and will look through those and upload what I find may be usefull. Still waiting to see evidence of 6 ribs, other than that it was decided sometime ago by some other dudes who didnt have better reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southscout Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 If you have a good time reference I can pull a screenshot of the BR. I took some, but could not see exactly 5 I did however see that the pouches are attached to the cummerbund. You see it clearly on the rebel (scum) that wears the biker scout uniform when he's captured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Dont have the time stamp, but I think we could get a clear view of the stiches, if this wasnt a picture of my tv screen. Its right before the Ewoks attack where 3PO is yelling at the troopers. Again here in the speeder bike chase. And it seems like the pouches are sewed on with the same distance to the outermost stiches as the width of the rasied areas. And I know its not the issue here, but look how they attached the TD!! EDIT: All pictures I took are here on Photobucket: http://s1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Arnie_DK/BR%20stills/?start=all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin-X Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Dont have the time stamp, but I think we could get a clear view of the stiches, if this wasnt a picture of my tv screen. Its right before the Ewoks attack where 3PO is yelling at the troopers. Again here in the speeder bike chase. And it seems like the pouches are sewed on with the same distance to the outermost stiches as the width of the rasied areas. And I know its not the issue here, but look how they attached the TD!! EDIT: All pictures I took are here on Photobucket: http://s1167.photobu...ills/?start=all Great screen grabs Morten. I count 5 ribs on the bund no matter where I look in the movie. A larger scout and/or stunt man COULD have one with 6, no telling. I also really liked the wonky TD image with the zip ties holding it to the belt. Lo-tech... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Hehe yeah, like a last minute fix. They didnt even cut them to fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Is this enough information or do we still need more shots? At 1:29:36 in ROTJ, you can see the front of the cummerbund pretty good on the scout that Han tricks. Might be a good candidate for a blu ray screenshot? I have the blue rays but I don't have a PC with the drive to capture them, only the PS3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I couldnt get a good look at the stiches on the guy Han throws around, and I looked at it on my 43" tv... But if someone could tell me how to take screen grabs off the computer, I might give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southscout Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I play my movies through XBMC, a free media player. It supports screen shots by just pressing "print scrn". I tried yesterday to get a conclusive shot but couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaltblutfreak Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 It looks like the pouches have a second piece of top cover which is attached to the cummerbund. Sorry but i cant explain it better. Its just an area of right above the pouches like another piece of fabric tah is attached on the cummerbund and the lower part attached to the pouches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Yes they have an extra "flap" that goes on the cummerbund. I believe its sewn on, but I think it would be more practical to just velcro it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 If it is possible for someone to get screen grabs via a pc or laptop that would be a big help, not just for the sake of this but for the archives. In the mean time I will discuss this with the armourers and staff before opening it up for a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I'll try it sometime tonight. Right now my focus is on getting my bund and pouches sewn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Got a few grabs... Could still be better I think, but the best I can do. Find them here: http://s1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Arnie_DK/BR%20stills/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southscout Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think I have a good source for pictures later today. I will grab some HD shots that hopefully can be used in the reference gallery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southscout Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I have some stills now that where taken in 1920x1080, but photobucket seems to resize them. They can be seen at http://s1241.photobu...out1/TB/Stills/ If you need to use any of these in the reference gallery then I can email the source pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Nice clean pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Definitely looks like 5 raised areas. Also, it looks like the cummerbund ends just above the belt and that the cod starts out wider than I thought it did. Guess I've got some new specs for my 'bund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I received some high def 1920 x 1080 pixel images from the Star Wars blu ray courtesy of "Southscout" (thanks!). Below are cropped versions so that we can see the detail (no need to see the trees behind Han or the officer / Leia in the images as we only want to focus on the Scout). I also adjusted the image levels and contrast / saturation of the images using Photoshop so that we can more clearly see the ribbing. I am an art director in gaming and graphic design for 20+ years, so I am familiar with photoshop and tweaking levels. Photobucket was resizing the images, so I uploaded the high resolution ones to my Flickr. I copied and pasted the cummerbund detail, and highlighted where the ribs in the cummerbund are. In both of these images, it's clear that the cummerbund is 5 ribs with 6 stitched lines. I hope these images can finally put the debate to rest (I want to finish my cummerbund too!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 Great screen grabs, just the same as the Blu Ray Biker Scout prop costume. I didn't notice the Stormtrooper next to Nick Sant has no rubber forehead trim, anybody else think the Stormtrooper belts are the same width and style as the Biker Scout version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The TK belts are canvas. It's probable that they're the same width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Also, it looks like the cummerbund ends just above the belt and that the cod starts out wider than I thought it did. I think that's more to do with the belt sagging a little. The join line is definitely under the belt, but I agree that the top is definitely wider than you think. When I make mine, I do the top part at least 10" (covering a large part of the frontage), depending on the size of the recipient. I have to say I am leaning more towards 5 ribs. Damn... have to make a new bund. edit... Also, is it me, or does the bund material look a little shiny?? (especially in the BluRay exhibit). sort of like a nylon type material, similar to modern tent outers. And notice the bad pull on the belt.... hehehehhe. just between the centre box and the second set, you can see the web where the material hasn't pulled properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Great pictures it certainly does look like 6 stitches Looking at Nicks knee caps they look huge, looks like SC knees are more movie size than say MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southscout Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 As a general statement after looking at the blu-ray over and over, I would say that the TB has to be one of the hardest armors to get 100% screen accurate. There seems to be all kinds of small differences between the troopers uniforms. One has something similar to a neckseal, one has no balaclava, one has a very strange setup with the side-strap of the armor, the armor on the arms goes up and down from the elbows etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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