4505Marcel Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 HI guys I have been in talks with the legion, as I wanted to improve the standards to include some major parts that have been overlooked for a long time. Other detachments have come on leaps and bounds with standards to raise the bar, and I wanted to push the scout CRL to where it needs also to be to make us all a little closer to what is seen on screen. Well im happy to say they have agreed to allow me to make these changes, which will now see a basic scout to require a flak vest, 50mm (2") thong strap, suede or faux suede butt and crotch patchs with 50mm (2") thigh elastics, and the recently found TD greeble. In turn this will make it easier for scouts to become lancer at no or minimal extra costs, so hoping we can boost numbers now. I realise this may not be to everyones taste and already cleared scouts need not do the changes if they done want to under grandfather rights, but really scouts should have these as its very apparent they had them in the film. Marcel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Thanks for the heads up. Will the CRL visual guides be updated to reflect this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yes I have done the text for it but was having problems uploading the pictures, Brian (Stormtrooperguy) has kindly said he will get them on for me, I'm sure they will be on asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamS Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 This means I need to go buy more stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Leo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I am agree Marcel, I think it's a wise choice!! I am the GML in my country, and I have many discussions with people who want to approve this (Biker Scout) using white rain boots (Just one example), you really have to raise the level. Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin-X Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Good deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chex Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Thank you! if you're gonna do a costume, do it right from the start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 And about time too..... I doff my cap (or would if I had one) to Marcel and the Team for taking the time and grief to get this implemented. I know it's been a bit of a slog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK6782 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well I can't see it why it will be boosting membership maybe lowering the number of new people registering if anything as the cost and difficulty is going up... or, were you speaking of boosting lancer numbers? If you want the costumes to be so close to Lancer why not just make the Lancer requirements the CRL? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I agree with TK6782. This will most likely give you more Lancers from new recruits, but i also think your number of said new recruits will dwindle with theese new requirements. I know I am putting my TB on hold for now, even though i have most parts ordered. But hey. Your detachement, your decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiling Fox Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Looking at the new CRL, I noticed that it now requires the bolt covers to be changed to the flat type. I know that this was previously required for admission to lancer. Is this now required for basic admission to the legion? I had not planned to go for lancer even though I will have the vest and patches on the flight suit. I just didn't want to screw up my expensive helmet by attempting to modify it for this small detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 What is the difference between the New CRL and the Lancer??? Only thing i can see is that we still have the option to cover the "ears" with black mesh on the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxpxrobbie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well dang, guess I need to get more fabric and start looking at making the flak vest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Leo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Marcel thank you very much! Very good work !!!!!!!! Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I just wanted to ask in case I missed something. But on Fisd changes to the CRL are voted on within the detachment before they are approved. So is there a point to Lancer at all now? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for accuracy but it would be nice to have a chance to provide feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Also, if a scout now requires the suede butt patch and inner thighs, could we please get a proper photo and diagrams / dimensions for this? The CRL just shows a photo of the flight suit. To date I havent seen a good consistent way of doing this and once stuff is sewn its hard to fix if you cut too much etc. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 This means I need to go buy more stuff Sorry bud but there will always be someone mid build, it will make you a better scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 I am agree Marcel, I think it's a wise choice!! I am the GML in my country, and I have many discussions with people who want to approve this (Biker Scout) using white rain boots (Just one example), you really have to raise the level. Leo Thanks mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 What is the difference between the New CRL and the Lancer??? Only thing i can see is that we still have the option to cover the "ears" with black mesh on the inside. Basically for lancer it is like the FISD, where it comes down to fit and finish, guys might have all the right gear but have put it together wrong or it doeant sit right, lancer is about the overall look. Plus there is the addition of no ear mesh, second knee strap, more in depth strapping sizing, boot sole cuts little details like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 I just wanted to ask in case I missed something. But on Fisd changes to the CRL are voted on within the detachment before they are approved. So is there a point to Lancer at all now? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for accuracy but it would be nice to have a chance to provide feedback. Without sounding funny there really there isnt alot to discuss as its in the film and thats what we strive to look like, flak vest, crotch patches ect are clearly seen in the film, so why in all these years it hasnt been put in the CRL I dont know. WE want to wear a scout from the film so should have all the components in place not half a costume. A boba wouldnt get cleared without his flak vest and tk wouldnt without his neck seal and so on. It is time scouts had the same sense of pride in their costumes, this will be a good thing trust me bro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Looking at the new CRL, I noticed that it now requires the bolt covers to be changed to the flat type. I know that this was previously required for admission to lancer. Is this now required for basic admission to the legion? I had not planned to go for lancer even though I will have the vest and patches on the flight suit. I just didn't want to screw up my expensive helmet by attempting to modify it for this small detail. I have not changed anything to do with the helmet bro, the text is the same as it always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 I agree with TK6782. This will most likely give you more Lancers from new recruits, but i also think your number of said new recruits will dwindle with theese new requirements. I know I am putting my TB on hold for now, even though i have most parts ordered. But hey. Your detachement, your decisions. Im sorry bro that you feel this way, and hope you do finish it. But its not my detachment its all of ours, I dont think it will dwindle the numbers, maybe in the short term with guys feeling hard done by, BUT no other costume has suffered due to standards. Why would you want to clear half a costume, these parts are clearly on screen, so should be in the CRL should they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Lets put this into perspective, what are we asking for a vest ok probably the most expensive part but still cheap enough to buy, a butt and crotch patch I paid £15 for my suede and an hour or so stitching (and that was before I taught myself to sew or had a machine) so again no real expense, and the elastic which is pennies and a greeblie which is £2.50 on Ebay. All in all maybe less than £80 for a much more accurate costume, I dont feel that is out of troopers reach Tthe scout costume has allways been a cheap alternative, or a costume for the wife to get her into the legion, or just done so we have a costume to sit done in. The scout is a fantasic cosume in its own rights and deserves the respect other costumes get. Look how many stormtroopers take the plunge to expert infantry they beat us 10 fold, have their number dwindled because of accuracy? This is not just my decission please dont think it is, yes I pushed it as I love the costume and wasnt something just thrown out there. It has to go to legion council and they have agreed this should be the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Also, if a scout now requires the suede butt patch and inner thighs, could we please get a proper photo and diagrams / dimensions for this? The CRL just shows a photo of the flight suit. To date I havent seen a good consistent way of doing this and once stuff is sewn its hard to fix if you cut too much etc. thanks. Unfortunatley there is no hard rule as no patterns or pictures of the vest are about, we can only glimpse the neck line and sleeves on screen. On the visual CRL there is vest pictures of the sort of thing the legion is asking for, as long as the neck and sleeves look right in armour I guess there is a little free rein to how you make the rest. Under the flight suit section of the visual CRL if you read the text there is a clicky to more in depth pictures of the suede parts, unfortunatley the forum the way it is wouldnt allow these pictures to be on the page with the flight suit. Again there is no hard rule on this as long as it looks right. Remember every scout is different so a sizes really go out the window, youve just got to try and get the look right., the butt flap is just rectangular and the thigh patches there is a good pattern to follow in the gallery section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Look how many stormtroopers take the plunge to expert infantry they beat us 10 fold, have their number dwindled because of accuracy? This is not just my decission please dont think it is, yes I pushed it as I love the costume and wasnt something just thrown out there. It has to go to legion council and they have agreed this should be the basics. Thats because they have the choise to do so, and not something forced unto them. Sorry if it sounds like i'm blaming all of this on you, as that is not my intention at all. I like that there have been done things to improve on the costume,but what you(here i mean BSN and the legion as a whole) are doing here, is demand people more or less build to Lancer specs. I'm not saying that its all bad, but mayby people should have the option to leave out some of the little things, like suede and a bit of elastic, in their build, and then have the option to make a choice of their own, to put this in later, when they want it to be there, and want to be more acurate, but i like that the vest now is required, as this is a rather large part of the costume, that helps on the overall look. Right now i cant see any difference between the CRL and Lancer, which if nothing else, is a great shame to the Lancers, who wanted their costumes to be above the rank and file, but are now redduced to being just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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