Grantd1* Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 All up front I just want to say that I've only been approved by the boys at the UKG - that sent off my application 16 days ago but nothing has come back yet. Anyway in order to get ahead of the game here are my pics http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/Grant9477/Lancer/ Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Grant, one thing I noticed is your pouches. They are attached to the cummerbund which is fine, as long as they do not ride too low. I also noticed on your pouches that the flap is not long enough, it should reach all the way to line up with the bottom of the pouch as in this picture: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Also, I'd like to see a picture of your cummerbund not on you. I believe the cod piece is too narrow. As well, the stitching on the cod piece should be an arc, not a chevron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Could you also put a picture of your snout greeble. I can't tell if it's on a back plate or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantd1* Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 I'm having a new set of pouches made up with a back flap to attach to the bund & also a UKG guru suggested I'd have a problem applying for Lancer with 'half-mast' pocket flaps. they should be here any day. Pics of bund & snout I'll do tonight & post tomorrow (unless I can manage on my peski iphone) Regarding the bund stitching - the standards specifically state an inverted chevron (as of 5mins ago anyway) - please advise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Well, I will let you get away with it for your application, even though this is not an official application. I still would like to see a picture of your cummerbund so I can see how wide the cod flap is. The Lancer spec should say inverted arc, I will be changing it to that. I will leave it to you to keep the chevron you have or change it to the arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantd1* Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 Fair comment Witness - anyway here's the snout. I triedthis with a back plate but it looked stuck-on rather than a genuine piece of the lid so I purchased another greeblie to look better. http://1.2.3.12/bmi/i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/Grant9477/photo.jpg And her is the bund http://1.2.3.11/bmi/emob1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/Grant9477/photo-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Agreed the pouch flaps are way to short, the cod chevron is far to V shapped, Im not sure whats happened to the specs if you say they have changed mate, thats news to me? I send all mine out as a V shape as the specs have always said "chevron" which is a V not a curve, but no where as V shapped as whats in the picture of yours, I do them alot flatter and once worn to look curved. Dave can you explain why this, if it has indeed been changed from chevron, as thats what its always been and I havent seen a discussion thread about changing it? But yes this particular cod chevron/arch is way off in shape and a long way from what the film shots look like. You will also need to take the metal brackets off your TD as they are not accurate mate. I would also say your drop box straps could be shortened a touch. Also your vest sleeves are too long, they should end just below your shoulder armour and not extend under your bicep mate. Just minor tweaks though mate, not much work really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Agreed the pouch flaps are way to short, the cod chevron is far to V shapped, Im not sure whats happened to the specs if you say they have changed mate, thats news to me? I send all mine out as a V shape as the specs have always said "chevron" which is a V not a curve, but no where as V shapped as whats in the picture of yours, I do them alot flatter and once worn to look curved. Dave can you explain why this, if it has indeed been changed from chevron, as thats what its always been and I havent seen a discussion thread about changing it? But yes this particular cod chevron/arch is way off in shape and a long way from what the film shots look like. This is a better picture. There is no point to discussing this picture. I didn't feel it required a discussion. I have always thought he required an arc, not a chevron. I even remember having to change mine when I applied for Lancer. I don't know how the chevron got into the spec, it should not be there. The above picture is probably the best view of any picture. There is also a picture that can be zoomed in in the screen shots gallery, it is also an arc, not a chevron. I don't feel this requires a discussion. I wish it had been changed previously, last year for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Those pictures actually look straight up both sides with a curve at the very top, but that could be the bend in the cod itself. I didnt think we was taking the MOM exhibit as gospel as it has some alterations to screen used? As long as we are now sticking with that alls good, as I have sent stuff out within the last few days with chevrons as that is what the spec said, obviously that is now not the purchasers fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantd1* Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 Gents cheers for the feedback but I would like to respond. Pouches: being sorted - they look far tidier fastening at the bottom. Sleeves: sorted - I've taken them up according to the reference pics Crotch chevron: come on lads I've a 90 degree angle going on as opposed to what? A 110 degree angle? Curve? If I'm REALLY bored one night I'll sort it but there will still be an existing line due to the memory of the cloth. Come on boys if the CO & XO can't agree then what hope have the rest of us got? Drop boxes: I'm a lanky git so I lengthened them deliberately to sit on my hips as per reference. To move them wouldn't look right TD: don't want to reove the Alice clips & replacing them with cable ties as per MOM exhibit for 2 reasons based around the fact that when I troop I want to be an Imperial Scout Trooper not a made up character on a film set. I'm prepared to paint them but... 1. Td's are supposed to be detachable st they can be thrown - cable ties are semi- permanent. You need a form of clip like the TK's 2. A cable tie or such is a film spit, sawdust, chewing-gum, gaffs tape method of a quick fix - not designed into an elite uniform for an elite trooper. Maybe I'm taking this a bit far but I could argue you guys are being abut too literal - ties are half-arsed like the 'elastic band on the back of a TK's shoulder bridge to attain Centurion status! Don't take me the wrong way I love you guys and am passionate about trooping - I just not only want to look right but feel right as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Cable ties is how they were done in the film and that is what we ask for mate, sorry but clips are not allowed. I agree a TD was designed to be thrown in theory, but your not likely to be doing that. Lancer is about film accuracy and that is what they did so that is what we ask for sorry mate. Myself and Dave do agree mate, the angle of yours is way off what is in the film, what I questioned is what was written in the standard as it said chevron, which is an inverted V such as what is found on miltitary uniforms it never mentioned curves, but should closely replicate the movie look. But they need to look as per movie bottom line, surely you can see the difference in yours to the film still? Although I did have V instead of curves on my bunds, the angle is still that it looks right if that makes sense, if you look at the shots it does look straight up both sides and curved at the top. The standard now says curve and that is what mine will now have and what we will now be looking for. I still say your drop box straps could go up a touch, I had the same with my misses lancer app. Her straps were shortened and even with her hips looked better for being a touch shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Cable ties is how they were done in the film and that is what we ask for mate, sorry but clips are not allowed. I agree a TD was designed to be thrown in theory, but your not likely to be doing that. Lancer is about film accuracy and that is what they did so that is what we ask for sorry mate. As Marcel said here, Lancer is about looking like the film scout, not about looking like the intended view of what people think a Biker Scout should look like. You've done well Grant, but you just need to change a few things to be more accurate. I'll remark what i have said on a few other applications: Lancer is voluntary and is about appearance overall, not just the sum of good parts. We are geared to look as screen accurate as possible. The only times we give leeway are when things are not possible, like I will not ask someone to reform the Studio Creations knees to make them more rounded. It's things within reason. We won't allow additions of things that are not in the movie or removal of things because they aren't comfortable as others have tried to do in the past. Certain things are harder to make more screen accurate, such as the armor and the boot soles. The soft items are easier to make and modify, so we ask that they be as accurate as possible. As you can see from the following shot, there is a clip used to hold on the detonator, so the idea of a clip is attempting to do it right. But, the clip you are using: This clip is not even close and detracts from the detonator because all you see is the two massive clips. This is why we suggest the Studio Creations method of using a zip tie to hold the detonator onto the belt clip. it's better to not have the clips than to have something that is so large. The clips are barely visible in the film, so in this case trying to be close, none is batter than too much. We try to approach Lancer with an eye for as close as possible, and when we can identify a method of doing something that is overall asthetically better, we try to get people to do it. We can't possible put every little thing into the specifications in writing, we do expect people to do as much research as possible when assembling their costumes if they intend to apply for Lancer. In most cases, that requires they become a Pathfinder first, and then be able to view previous Lancer applications in this forum. You've had an advantage being 501st and having access here even without having your Biker Scout cleared in the Legion. You are very close, just a few more modifications. But again, it's up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantd1* Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Thanks for the feeback guys - I've painted the clips white & they look far better. I'm also modding the belt as per the films using velcro (like a TK) instead of a clip and slotting the alice clips inbetween the material for a real low profile. I'm still a bit put out with the chevron, however I totally respect what you say and now understand the ethos behind Lancer. When & if I sort out these mods I'll chirp back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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