Chex Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Great topic, great discussion, great info. Great people too, it's info like this that keeps them coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 How would these Scouts with their shirt collars and ribbed neck-seals be classified, as stunts or heroes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 How would these Scouts with their shirt collars and ribbed neck-seals be classified, as stunts or heroes? Those are not neck seals, it is a thick 1970's cotton balaclava worn under the chin as opposed to over the mouth. On the photo showing the scout from behind is the race suit collar pulled down for whatever reason in that shot. Still it is not a shirt collar by any means. I can do that with a flight suit, and my race suits. I have a few questions for you: 1. Have you actually ever seen this costume in person? 2. What are you using other then other peoples photos to assert your contentions? I am not asking these these questions to mean spirited, or sarcastic. I am only asking because for some unknown reason you are bent on contradicting the very people who not only worked on the original film, but those that have worn the costume, handled the costume, and have catalogued the costume in person. I have no issue with independent thought but your conclusions are way off base in this instance. I can recall a post you made sometime back where you were convinced that the undersuit was some two piece outfit I believe from the 1940's, and that there was some arbitrary pocket on the suit itself that does not exist. You really can not base "research" on grainy film clips from 1983, nor just photos of a suit that was piecemealed for a display. You have to have handled the suit, and speak to those who were responsible for the costume itself. I have done all the above on multiple occasions. Please don't take my word for it, but blanket conclusions with no factual basis is not true research. Not to hurt your feelings but I can already see where this is heading and I am not interested in idle debate with someone who has no hands on experience with the costume itself. Your questions have turned more into statements that are intended to provoke a debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Oh no, don't go away. I'm not trying to debate anyone. Again, I'm simply asking questions. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer some of the questions that have bugged for quite sometime. Such as the collar and blue flap on the inside of the MoM Scout. Also, there's no visual proof regarding the missing flap and Velcro that you mentioned, but I'm not doubting you, I believe you, it makes total sense. The last pictures I posted look like shirt collars to me, and you had mentioned previously that there were different suits used and so since you've had first-hand knowledge and experience with the SU and Tour Scouts, I simply wanted to know how YOU categorized a hero and a stunt and how their suits differed. Also, that last picture of the hero Scout, that's not a ribbed neck-seal? Again, not disbelieving, not doubting, not debating, not arguing, not provoking......just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Oh no, don't go away. I'm not trying to debate anyone. Again, I'm simply asking questions. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer some of the questions that have bugged for quite sometime. Such as the collar and blue flap on the inside of the MoM Scout. Also, there's no visual proof regarding the missing flap and Velcro that you mentioned, but I'm not doubting you, I believe you, it makes total sense. The last pictures I posted look like shirt collars to me, and you had mentioned previously that there were different suits used and so since you've had first-hand knowledge and experience with the SU and Tour Scouts, I simply wanted to know how YOU categorized a hero and a stunt and how their suits differed. Again, not disbelieving, not doubting, not debating, not arguing, not provoking......just curious. I understand your curiosity but I can see some contention in your previous threads and I don't want to travel down that road. Please answer the questions I posed to you in the previous post. Our command Staff has considerable knowledge on this suit. Some of it provided by me, and other info pieced from many sources including Lightning Bear who was one of the scouts in the film who worked under Peter Diamond. About 95% of the screen used suit info has been identified. There were no two piece suits used in the filming of ROTJ. All the scouts had the same basic base for the costume which was an Esprit racing suit. How that suit may have been modified for use can vary, but there is no physical evidence of any alternate versions of the suit other than the fitting suit which had tan suede and some different colored straps. The race suit was also an Esprit. I think we have gone about as far as we can go with this subject. Thanks. PS: The internal fire fabric is black not blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I think we have gone about as far as we can go with this subject. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, I really appreciate it! Please post the photos of your fabric swatches What's the point, all it's going to do is provoke more contention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Please stop posting your threads that contribute nothing but contention, and are intended to bait those of us which have dedicated time, money and the worthiness to be accepted into the Pathfinders. Perhaps you would be better served just reading threads rather then posting empty ones. I am sure your a good guy but your way is a harsh rub for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Please stop posting your threads that contribute nothing but contention, and are intended to bait those of us which have dedicated time, money and the worthiness to be accepted into the Pathfinders. Perhaps you would be better served just reading threads rather then posting empty ones. I am sure your a good guy but your way is a harsh rub for some. Wow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Here's some comp. shots of the traditional Duck cloth and broad cloth on top of the new fabric.... I ran a quick basting stitch with some cotton batting using the two new black fabrics..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 .....and that there was some arbitrary pocket on the suit itself that does not exist. Are you referring to these arbitrary and non-existent pockets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 C'mon guys, anytime I've ever brought up these supposedly "arbitrary" and "non-existent" pockets, whether through PMs, personal e-mails, or on the public forum, I either get dismissed, insulted, completely ignored, or all three, even after I present clear and valid evidence of their existence. Why is that?! I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Mike, people have chosen not to engage in debates with you regarding your beliefs on parts of the costume. When people do not see your way, you become confrontational and insulting and claim you are only looking for discussion. From what I can see, myself and others interpret what you think are pockets as seams, reinforcements and hip pockets on the motorcycle racing suit which multiple LFL sources have told us used for the film. If people decide not to "discuss" in the one sided manner you choose, that is their choice. If you choose to continue to insult people and bring up confrontations and debates about the costume that nobody wishes to engage in, then I will have no option but to take administrative action against your account. I'm not going to discuss this any further with you. Just because you cannot accept some of the other research done here by other members does not mean you need to coninually post new threads simple discounting it because you say so. Either make your discussions true discussions where other's opinions are also valid instead of just yours, or stop posting. It is your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC23 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Well, I would still like to hear from other people with the same level of interest as myself, if anyone would be interested in an objective and impartial discussion regarding any aspect, detail, experience, evidence, or theory of the Biker Scout, just send me a PM, or you can write me at....mikecollins2323@gmail.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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