Lancer Deployment request TB-3346 ready to be a Lancer. :-)

[yodaawilson]

Good afternoon all.

I know I have a few parts to update on my armor, but I wanted to give you an heads up through words and pics of what I have done and the three things that I see that I need to add.

 

text and pics edited and changed out :-) please see new pics in post below.

Thanks,

Alex

[bluecyclone]

Ok, first things first,

 

Please do not list the Lancer Requirements here, the Command Staff is fully aware of each and every one, it takes up too much space in your original post. Second, please do not use group or event photos as Lancer submission pics, too confusing and they do not show detail. Lastly, when you are ready, submit new/current photos of your gear clearly and with detailed photos (please see other Lancer requests to get an idea of how to submit). Thanks.

 

 

[yodaawilson]

Ok cool that makes it easier. Thank you. :-) As you can see I edited the list and added these current (this morning) pics for more detail.

 

 

So, new admission pics for lancer status:

Please take a look and let me know if you have any questions :-)

 

Modified don Post Helmet according to guidelines

 

I followed the Boot Tutorial to build my boots

 

back

 

hump

 

top

 

chest

 

armor side

 

Us navy flight suit

black military issue thin Balaclava

Cummerbund: Recommended scout Cummerbund maker (might have been ladyghost I honestly can't remember) made it and pouches

Vest: Ladyghost

 

original Esprit style motorcycle gloves

 

 

Everything - helmet

thermal det

 

belt

 

top forearm and bicept pieaces with T-bits

 

Resin Blaster

 

these are the requirements I have yet to complete:

(if there are others please ask :-) )

-Manufacturer's embossed license stamp on rear of helmet must be sanded down flush.

- Suede riding patch on the inside of the thighs and over the seat of the suit. (SEWING THEM ON)

- Two thigh straps that fit underneath riding patch.

[TB-1019]

Hi, Alex,

 

We'll need to see pictures of you in the costume, not just costume parts laid out. While accuracy of the parts is important, that is just one half of the equation. The other half is seeing how that costume comes together on you, and if you give off an overall look of a scout that stepped right off of the movie screen. We need to be sure the costume fits you correctly and is worn correctly.

 

If you want an idea about what we're looking for, take a look at the applications of those who have been granted Lancer status. They should help.

[TB-1019]

No problemo. There's no rush. The Lancers aren't going anywhere.

[bluecyclone]

Ok, here we go:

 

1- Rivet on top of your helmet visor need to be removed. Try and get that "flare" down on the mask as well.

2- Boots need to be cleaned up alittle, better seam line at the top and the two large screws at the top of the holster should be replaced with rivets as well as rivets on the bottom.

3- Backplate needs to be cleaned up, clear all of the excess glue from around the tank. The rank stripes should all be the same length and only 1-6 of them.

4- Gloves need to have that little clip or zipper removed.

5- Need to see better/ up close pics of your t-bits.

6- Need to have the suede parts added to suit and pics provided.

7- Belt needs to be one solid piece, not sectioned into three with webbing between the pieces. See Gallery for reference pics.

 

Address these items and get back to us. As Jay stated, there is no rush, take your time.

[yodaawilson]

So, new admission pics for lancer status:

Please take a look and let me know if you have any questions :-)

 

Modified don Post Helmet according to guidelines and suggestions

1- Rivet on top of your helmet visor need to be removed. Try and get that "flare" down on the mask as well.

I have tighten down the flare :-) and velcroed the side so it fits very snug 8-)

 

 

I followed the Boot Tutorial to build my boots

2. the two large screws at the top of the holster should be replaced with rivets as well as rivets on the bottom.

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I also cleaned up and re-stiched the lines top and back :-)

 

 

back and top

3- Backplate needs toi be cleaned up, clear all of the excess glue from around the tank. The rank stripes should all be the same length and only 1-6 of them.

 

6- Need to have the suede parts added to suit and pics provided.

ladyghost did this for me 8-)

I also jsut finished sowing on the mud flaps that lady ghost made for me and will add a pic of it tomorrow.

 

original Esprit style motorcycle gloves

4- Gloves need to have that little clip or zipper removed.

I removed the clip there is not a zipper on them. :-)

 

belt

7- Belt needs to be one solid piece, not sectioned into three with webbing between the pieces. See Gallery for reference pics.

 

top forearm and bicept pieaces with T-bits

5- Need to see better/ up close pics of your t-bits.

 

 

Resin Blaster

 

Me all suited up

 

I will post my new professional pics as soon as they come in. They look better than those above, but I wanted to post a few of them. kinda like a pre and post 8-)

 

All present and accounted for. All done? Let me know if I have covered everything 8-) I am so ready to be a lancer

[bluecyclone]

I'm sorry Alex, but it doesn't really look like you did anything to correct the issues stated. I strongly advise you to review other Lancer applicants threads, see their pics, study them, study some screen pics, ask us questions you might have or if you need help in a certain area. As of right now, there are just too many inaccurate things about your gear to qualify it for Lancer status. Remember, the costume has to be worn correctly, not just have the correct parts. I am sorry to have to say that I can not give my approval at this time for your application. If I wasn't being honest it wouldn't be fair to you or the other Lancers.

[yodaawilson]

I'm sorry Alex, but it doesn't really look like you did anything to correct the issues stated. I strongly advise you to review other Lancer applicants threads, see their pics, study them, study some screen pics, ask us questions you might have or if you need help in a certain area. As of right now, there are just too many inaccurate things about your gear to qualify it for Lancer status. Remember, the costume has to be worn correctly, not just have the correct parts. I am sorry to have to say that I can not give my approval at this time for your application. If I wasn't being honest it wouldn't be fair to you or the other Lancers.

 

humm I am a little confused. I have completed each one of the things I was asked to complete.

Please see the

quoted list #

above each pic of the correction. I have removed the previous pics as comparison to solve any confusion.

Please advise since these corrections have been made by me stiching, cleaning hump and boots, taking the clips off the gloves, getting the suede added, etc and I wil add the professional pics of me in my new suede suit and armor when it comes in. you did say to get back to yall after I corrected these.

[bluecyclone]

Again, please do not delete or modify your posts here, that only causes more confussion. If you have professional photos that show your armor with the corrected items listed than please post those when you have them, we are not going to grant Lancer status to someone and review photos after, it doesn't work that way. Let's take a look at some of the things you say have been corrected:

 

Belt- We see you have riveted the two side sections to the main center piece, this is still incorrect, as stated, the belt needs to be one solid piece. This is where the homework part of this hobby comes in play. We have many screen and other Lancer applicant pics to help you with this. Some things can not be quickley fixed, you will have to replace the belt altogether with a more accurate one.

 

Boots- The stiching on the top is still inaccurate, when we said to re-stich it and clean it up, that did not mean to stich it by hand. Again, see other examples of how this should be done. If you can't sew, no big deal, neither can I, you will just have to find someone to do it for you. Again, some things can not be quickly fixed, you should probably have someone make you a pair of more accurate boots. One of our Lancers (Marcel) is doing a run of boots for fellow members, see his thread in the Boot section.

 

His Accurate Boots:

 

Your Boots:

 

 

I'm going to stop there, and let the other Command members step in. I don't want you to think I'm picking on you. I'm not doubting that you spent time on your gear. But to us, it just looks like not enough has gone into it. And like I said in my PM response to you, my comment on "not at this time" is exactly just that, it doesn't mean we want you to not continue with this or stop the application, just make corrections and move forward. You submited, we reviewed and responded.

[BrotherHalo]

I'm more than happy to chime in here, too, Alex. After all, it's our goal (our being the Pathfinders) to make sure all of our Lancers are up to the artisan level of costuming we are trying to achieve with this class of the Scout costume.

 

FIRST AND FOREMOST:

We are looking forward to seeing your pics!

 

Okay, now the critiques (some of these are just to further elaborate on what bluecyclone already posted):

 

1. Helmet - still easily recognizable as a Don Post/Rubies bucket. Although you removed the rivets and slimmed down the sides somewhat, it still has a noticeable flare and non-symmetric look to it. Please see the tutorial in this thread (http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?showtopic=1734) as well as what Acrylikhan did here.

 

2. Back Armor - glue still needs cleaning up. You can still see the yellow stain from whatever cement you used. You might be able to hide it if you weather your armor, but it's still noticeable, as far as I'm concerned.

 

3. Belt - although you put the pieces together, it's still three separate pieces. The hard part of the belt needs to be one solid curved piece. Secondly, in the above photos, they aren't worn "evenly" but you may have addressed that in your coming pics. However, the point that it isn't one solid piece is still an issue.

 

4. Knee armor - should be flat along the bottom. Yours have some sort of curve at the bottom and you'll need to trim those flat.

 

5. Holster - still has the inaccurate black lines along the front of the holster. Those need to be removed.

 

6. Undersuit - still need to see a shot of that mudflap.

 

7. Cummerbund - I'm sorry but the pouches look a bit sloppy. If you can insert something in the pouches to give them a more rectangular shape, that'd be good to see.

 

8. Boots - in addition to what Mike said above, the soles are the wrong color. The trimming of the vinyl along the base of the sole isn't as clean as it could be, too.

 

9. Blaster - grip is too long and the trigger needs to be removed. I'd also recommend a stripping of the paint on there now and refinishing it in a non-glossy black.

 

We're just as anxious to see you join the Lancers as you are. But we want to make sure the quality matches those that have preceded you as well as maintaining the standard for those who come after you, too.

[yodaawilson]

well looks like I need to rebuild a lot. oh well I tried. I wondered if I would have to buy a new helmet and now I need to buy/ get new boots, belt, modify knee pieaces, and a blaster. well I guess I will have to save up and adapt a few things. I did think that I saw rivits to hold the belt as one in the lancer pics in post

 

TB-8463 Requesting Deployment

http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?showtopic=4585

Action Photo

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/xtant...st/DSCF3606.jpg

 

just for clarification

 

Also, to point out: the close up of the rivets on the holster is the old stitching. the new stiching is a tighter stitch more than a machine does at 18 per inch. just to let you know. I wanted the stitch to hold longer than the material.

thanks for looking and I will let you know when I can buy and change those things asked.

[BrotherHalo]

well looks like I need to rebuild a lot. oh well I tried. I wondered if I would have to buy a new helmet and now I need to buy/ get new boots, belt, modify knee pieaces, and a blaster. well I guess I will have to save up and adapt a few things. I did think that I saw rivits to hold the belt as one in the lancer pics in post

 

Ah, I see what you are referring to. Those rivets hold the webbing for the back of the belt.

 

The rivets we see on yours are the ones holding the middle front of the belt to the two side pieces. This is the same thing I've done on my belt meaning I will also be needing to get a new belt before I can submit my own photos for Lancer approval. Ugh, but it's what you gotta do, right?

 

 

just for clarification

 

Also, to point out: the close up of the rivets on the holster is the old stitching. the new stiching is a tighter stitch more than a machine does at 18 per inch. just to let you know. I wanted the stitch to hold longer than the material.

thanks for looking and I will let you know when I can buy and change those things asked.

 

Well, you might be able to salvage the vinyl from your boots for a new base boot. The only thing I wasn't happy with on your boots was the trimming of the vinyl at the base where the shoe leather meets the sole.

 

Keep on working on it. I know for some that knocking out the Lancer points is quick and easy. For others, it will take a while. Like mine. It's likely going to take me the rest of the year to get all my gear up to snuff. But I'm willing to work on it as long as it takes. I don't want to disappoint the rest of the Lancers as I'm sure you don't. So keep working!

 

 

[yodaawilson]

Ah, I see what you are referring to. Those rivets hold the webbing for the back of the belt.

 

The rivets we see on yours are the ones holding the middle front of the belt to the two side pieces. This is the same thing I've done on my belt meaning I will also be needing to get a new belt before I can submit my own photos for Lancer approval. Ugh, but it's what you gotta do, right?

 

 

 

 

Well, you might be able to salvage the vinyl from your boots for a new base boot. The only thing I wasn't happy with on your boots was the trimming of the vinyl at the base where the shoe leather meets the sole.

 

Keep on working on it. I know for some that knocking out the Lancer points is quick and easy. For others, it will take a while. Like mine. It's likely going to take me the rest of the year to get all my gear up to snuff. But I'm willing to work on it as long as it takes. I don't want to disappoint the rest of the Lancers as I'm sure you don't. So keep working!

 

so if I replace the base and clean up the trimming around the base the boots would be good? I can take a close up of the new stiching.

 

tks for all the suggestions.

[bluecyclone]

so if I replace the base and clean up the trimming around the base the boots would be good? I can take a close up of the new stiching.

 

To replace the base of the boot you would have to replace the boot all together. I recommend making another pair of boots, with the correct color soles.

[yodaawilson]

To replace the base of the boot you would have to replace the boot all together. I recommend making another pair of boots, with the correct color soles.

 

ok so I will see what I can do.

sorry for all the questions but I had one about the rivets on the belt. If I paint white over them to concel them would that work rather and buying another belt?

I am asking in response to this quote in a previous post for lancer status

I don't think we're going to nitpick by counting rivets. I mean, if the costume has so many rivets it looks like the armored side of a WWI tank, I think that would disqualify it, but people need to build their armor in a way that works for them, yet they also need to make it look good. That said, we would encourage everyone aspiring to shoot for Lancer status to minimize or at least conceal the use of rivets where possible.

[yodaawilson]

I'm more than happy to chime in here, too, Alex. After all, it's our goal (our being the Pathfinders) to make sure all of our Lancers are up to the artisan level of costuming we are trying to achieve with this class of the Scout costume.

 

FIRST AND FOREMOST:

We are looking forward to seeing your pics!

 

Okay, now the critiques (some of these are just to further elaborate on what bluecyclone already posted):

 

1. Helmet - still easily recognizable as a Don Post/Rubies bucket. Although you removed the rivets and slimmed down the sides somewhat, it still has a noticeable flare and non-symmetric look to it. Please see the tutorial in this thread (http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?showtopic=1734) as well as what Acrylikhan did here.

 

2. Back Armor - glue still needs cleaning up. You can still see the yellow stain from whatever cement you used. You might be able to hide it if you weather your armor, but it's still noticeable, as far as I'm concerned.

 

3. Belt - although you put the pieces together, it's still three separate pieces. The hard part of the belt needs to be one solid curved piece. Secondly, in the above photos, they aren't worn "evenly" but you may have addressed that in your coming pics. However, the point that it isn't one solid piece is still an issue.

 

4. Knee armor - should be flat along the bottom. Yours have some sort of curve at the bottom and you'll need to trim those flat.

 

5. Holster - still has the inaccurate black lines along the front of the holster. Those need to be removed.

 

6. Undersuit - still need to see a shot of that mudflap.

 

7. Cummerbund - I'm sorry but the pouches look a bit sloppy. If you can insert something in the pouches to give them a more rectangular shape, that'd be good to see.

 

8. Boots - in addition to what Mike said above, the soles are the wrong color. The trimming of the vinyl along the base of the sole isn't as clean as it could be, too.

 

9. Blaster - grip is too long and the trigger needs to be removed. I'd also recommend a stripping of the paint on there now and refinishing it in a non-glossy black.

 

We're just as anxious to see you join the Lancers as you are. But we want to make sure the quality matches those that have preceded you as well as maintaining the standard for those who come after you, too.

1. Helmet: working on it. thanks for link 8-)

2. Back Armor: still cleaning/ weatering :-)

3. Belt: depending on question of covering up rivets

4. Knee armor: fixed with some trimming

5. Holster: lines removed

6. Undersuit: pic comming soon

7. Cummerbund: fellow trooper gave me an idea to fix these

8. Boots: correcting color and trimming issue

9. Blaster: trigger removed. i'm not sure how to shorten the grip... sugesstion??

[bluecyclone]

About the belt question, no. You will need to replace it all together. The rivet statement you quoted from Jay was in regards to having rivets on the costume in general. Painting your belt rivets will not correct the fact that it is in 3 seperate pieces.

 

 

9. Blaster: trigger removed. i'm not sure how to shorten the grip... sugesstion?

Buy a new accurate blaster. I think you need to come to the understanding that some of these things are just not "fixable" and you will have to purchase some new items, that is if you want to continue with the application, which just as a reminder is optional. None of these things "have" to be done.

[yodaawilson]

About the belt question, no. You will need to replace it all together. The rivet statement you quoted from Jay was in regards to having rivets on the costume in general. Painting your belt rivets will not correct the fact that it is in 3 seperate pieces.

 

 

 

Buy a new accurate blaster. I think you need to come to the understanding that some of these things are just not "fixable" and you will have to purchase some new items, that is if you want to continue with the application, which just as a reminder is optional. None of these things "have" to be done.

 

I know these dont "have" to be done but the point is that if I did not want to do them I would not have started adpating my suit/ armor and be trying to update these pieaces to be more accurate

ok ok i will have to buy a few things np, but you can't fault a guy from trying to simply the process by fixing what he has verses buying more stuff

 

Oh and if not with rivets how do you get the belt boxes on the sides to stay attached to the main belt since they are mailed in 3 pieaces?

[bluecyclone]

ok ok i will have to buy a few things np, but you can't fault a guy from trying to simply the process by fixing what he has verses buying more stuff

 

No faulting here, we are just trying to help you finish with what you started. The belt above is acceptable if put together correctly, rivets are fine. Just make sure that there is no webbing between the pieces giving the appearance of three seperate sections, that is what the original issue with yours was. If riveted correctly (with white rivets) it gives the appearance of one solid piece.

 

PS.

Just so you know your options, there are armor makers that make the 1 piece belt.

[yodaawilson]

cool. I fixed the pouches with a cool and helpful tip from a fellow garrison scout.

 

Working on the boots. I will post results for options since I really like building things myself or I will just have to save up :-)

 

And I repainted the back armor to deal with the yellowing and it looks really good.

 

I have been working on the helmet last night and most of today and will be tomorrow. ;-) following that cool visual post of a don post upgrade

 

I did have further question about the belt. Can you send me how the 3 in one belt riveted looks. I am a visual learner.

Tks

[bluecyclone]

 

Add two rivets, top and bottom, to connect the side pieces. Use white rivets, or if you can't find those, just paint the rivet heads white after riveting.

[yodaawilson]

prophet thanks for the vote of confidence.

 

bluecyclone thanks for the help:

However, These statements in bold confused me.

Because if the pictured belt is in three pieces and is riveted into one piece it will still look like three pieces riveted together.

Then the statement of not painting rivets and then saying its ok mixed me up.

About the belt question, no. You will need to replace it all together. The rivet statement you quoted from Jay was in regards to having rivets on the costume in general. Painting your belt rivets will not correct the fact that it is in 3 seperate pieces.

The belt above is acceptable if put together correctly, rivets are fine. Just make sure that there is no webbing between the pieces giving the appearance of three seperate sections, which was the original issue with yours was. If riveted correctly (with white rivets) it gives the appearance of one solid piece.

name='bluecyclone' date='Mar 20 2009, 12:41 AM' post='39380']

 

Add two rivets, top and bottom, to connect the side pieces. Use white rivets, or if you can't find those, just paint the rivet heads white after riveting.

[bluecyclone]

Because your pic still shows webbing between the pieces. Painting the rivets when the belt is put together correctly is ok, it hides them better. Painting the rivets when the belt is still in three seperate pieces with webbing between them is pointless.

 

See photo:

[bluecyclone]

Final warning to all other troops, Do Not post in Lancer Applicantion threads, it is for the applicant and Command to post here. If you want to say something, positive or otherwise, do it in a PM.