Army Scout Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Hey troopers, I think we are ready to start sewing. (Almost) A key componet is the vest. I am working with TK-1066 (Tim) to get this prototype done. I think the military MOLLE system will work great for our vest. I have ordered one of these... This shoud look great once worked up! You can find them at Cheaper than Dirt for about $20.00! I will be getting a test ACU shrit tomorrow to start the dye and vest project. Army Scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmel Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Hey troopers, I think we are ready to start sewing. (Almost) A key componet is the vest. I am working with TK-1066 (Tim) to get this prototype done. I think the military MOLLE system will work great for our vest. I have ordered one of these... This shoud look great once worked up! You can find them at Cheaper than Dirt for about $20.00! I will be getting a test ACU shrit tomorrow to start the dye and vest project. Army Scout Hey lazy aren't you done yet, sheesh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Hey lazy aren't you done yet, sheesh!! How are you planning on working out the center seam of the vest and the buckles? Also, I was wondering if the material wraps around the entire vest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Hum, can I throw a monkey wrench into this? :-) It appears that the cummerbund is 2 inch strips of material and a 1 inch strip of elastic between them (or at least what appears to be elastic .. and measurements can be off, I'm just eyeballing it). Would it be difficult to throw a cummerbund together with these two materials? I can give it a shot this weekend and see what I can do (I can sew ... not well, but I can sew). The other components of the cummerbund appear to be 2 separate belts (or 1 belt and the bottom of the cummerbund is a velcro band or something). Question though, does it look like the pouches are attached to the belt closest to the rib cage or are the pouches attached all over? Also the left bicep (if you were wearing it) appears to be similar to a photo I saw of a clonetrooper's bicep armor. Let me see if I can find a picture and post it in the armor section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I guess you mean the ring clip with the two blocks at each side? The fdifference is that the clones (i.e. galactic marine) seem to have spare clips or something like that while at least the outward box of the Barc is something like a sensor. Strange thing about the vest is that the high resolution scan supplied a week ago and the screenshots of the "order 66 scene" on kashyyk show different details. While your observation regarding the fabric styles and sizes seem to be valid there is still the different colour and the split "shards" within the cummerbund sections being seperated by those lines apearing like elastic material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Scout Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 I guess you mean the ring clip with the two blocks at each side? The fdifference is that the clones (i.e. galactic marine) seem to have spare clips or something like that while at least the outward box of the Barc is something like a sensor. Strange thing about the vest is that the high resolution scan supplied a week ago and the screenshots of the "order 66 scene" on kashyyk show different details. While your observation regarding the fabric styles and sizes seem to be valid there is still the different colour and the split "shards" within the cummerbund sections being seperated by those lines apearing like elastic material. Yea, were rethinking the vest now Army Scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I think I have the "Split shards" as you call them covered in the elastic detail. The elastic bands I found at the local fabric store have the same detail in them as the barc trooper. The picture kind of sucks, but if you see this elastic in person you would get a good idea how I made the association. Unless you mean there's a color difference between the elastic pieces (or what appear to be elastic pieces) and the cloth rows. I don't see a difference in color on the photo I have, the elastic bunching might give the impression of a darker color. I'll start taking a crack at this over the weekend and see what I can produce. I think I just need to get all white material, give it a light green dye (for the base color) then finish up with my air brush and fabric coloring (need to look into that as well) for the camo details. The bottom of the "vest / cummerbund" shows the same diaper we have on our cummerbund for the bikerscout, however I noticed that the the barc vest /cummerbund doesn't have an elastic strap up under the crotch that goes to the back of the vest. Wondering if the diaper detail needs to be worked into the flight suit or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 oups, I meant something completely different I hope this pictorial explanation illustrates what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 oups, I meant something completely different I hope this pictorial explanation illustrates what I mean. The "shards" you might be seeing may be hem lines or just a CGI error. The full sized picture I have at home shows a prominent crease at the two points I've labeled below (which you have also pointed out as the shard areas). The scan doesn't do the real picture justice. This may have caused your "shard" areas, but they might be nothing more than creases in the material they are trying to achieve in the CGI. On the flip side I could always add the hem lines to the finished product :-) I'll see if I can get a better picture of what I'm talking about. Darn inferior scanner. BTW Thanks for your feed back Mad, I love having another set of eyes on this and others opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well - though ILM seem to have a few flaws in their CGs (just look into the mirror lense of the Barc where you can see the back vents of the helmet ) I doubt they have such erroneous creases with such a geometric apearal. And yes scanners are a problem. We are lucky that those posters doesn't seem to be printed in more problematic rasters which usually create even more fuzzy scans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherHalo Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Well, I think it's gonna have to come down what's the easiest way to accomplish the closest look. Replicating it 100% would be kinda tough. But this is good discussion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Making progress... (yes it's white ) Haven't dyed it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Scout Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 Making progress... (yes it's white ) Haven't dyed it yet. Now that looks dead on! Army Scout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The "shards" you might be seeing may be hem lines or just a CGI error. The full sized picture I have at home shows a prominent crease at the two points I've labeled below (which you have also pointed out as the shard areas). The scan doesn't do the real picture justice. This may have caused your "shard" areas, but they might be nothing more than creases in the material they are trying to achieve in the CGI. On the flip side I could always add the hem lines to the finished product :-) I'll see if I can get a better picture of what I'm talking about. Darn inferior scanner. BTW Thanks for your feed back Mad, I love having another set of eyes on this and others opinions. I belive there is two belts, the thin one with the silver buckle and a wider "garrison" belt similair to web gear used in the military service appears to be above the thin one holding the pouches. like this but no buckle and some adjustments.... Web Belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Making progress... (yes it's white ) Haven't dyed it yet. That looks dead on to me as well matching a CG image !!!!!! "thats it - the rebels are there !!!!!!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladyghost4459 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I just have to say it....You are definitely going to have a nice shape with this. SO far it isn't a whole lot diferent than a corset. Can't wait to see the camo colors added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Heh, that's the first thing I thought when I put it on "corset". LOL How very manly. There are indeed 2 belts and the real pickle here, is what is attached to the middle (or top) belt and what is connected to that bottom belt other than the straps that connect to the front of the belt. Indeed I'm curious if everything attaches to that top belt or if there are locations on the vest where you would attach the pouches. Hum. Still need to figure out if that diaper is part of the vest or part of the flight suit and if it's even attached (I'm thinking the diaper is not given the flow of the vest when the CGI models walk). I was out getting video taped with my garrison today, so I'll probably get back to work on this tomorrow. Thanks for all the positive feedback :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghfett Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I just have to say it....You are definitely gooing to have a nice shape with this. SO far it isn't a whole lot diferent than a corset. Can't wait to see the camo colors added. Ladyghst915 - Your help here will be VERY welcome - fellas, if you don't know Ladyghst915 - you soon will, her soft parts are 2nd to none, beautiful work !!!! A corset, hmmmmm I think the smaller belt has the thigh pouches swinging from it instead of a command skirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB-7076 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I think it's only the thigh pouches being attached on this thing I think is something like a waistband at the lower end of the vest/cummerbund similar to known combat vests with very thin loop straps to hold it. The other pouches seem to be attached to the belt though those CGI guys made a logical fault. There are several pouches above and below the pouches which are located at a level allowing for this theory but no hint for velcro or snap buttons as knwon from current combat vests to hold these. I think they just went crazy with the idea of having a trooper with lots of pouches but didn't really consider the functions behind it. The only good news about it is that those pckets are aligned symetrical and that this allows for proper use of any system without looking funny on the prop itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I've been racking my brain to think of what to put on that bottom of that vest. Should it be a leather belt strap with velcro attached to it? Should it be a plastic abs belt (how to attach it to the cloth vest comes up). Maybe a heavy canvas belt that can be attached to the bottom of the vest and then sew in black loop (what appears to be the black segments) into it (have to dye the vest first and make sure it's color fast, then attach the belt, or attach the bottom belt with snaps or velcro to the vest so it can be washed separately if needed). Any ideas? Pouches shouldn't be too hard, I'm assuming there's two approaches. 1) Attach the bloody things to the vest. 2) create some sort of framework for the pouches that attach to the belt (that can probably be done easily). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladyghost4459 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Now that looks dead on! Army Scout Your work looks good so far. MY question is how do you plan to color your vest? Are you gonna dye it and hand paint the camo patterns? One problem I've had in the past is that elastic strips DO NOT take well to dyes. The polyester fibers donot take or hold the dyes well. I am not sure how it will do with the fabric paints. The ridging looks good. I think I would try to find a more natural fibered replacement for the elastic. Something made from cotton or hemp. Maybe even a very textured canvas like material like they use in strapping...not a nylon type. I will do a little research and see what I can find. The fabric I found today is called monks cloth and it is 100% natural cotton. I also found cotton strapping that has a nice texture too. Both of these fabrics will take dyes and fabric paints really well. I will post a picture as soon as I find either a googled picture of it or geta photo uploaded on my computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghst915 Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Good news you guys we bought some new fabric to day for making this part, nice texture to it looks good. It should dye really nice and take paint for doing the camo on it. We'll keep you all posted on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB6675 Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 I've been racking my brain to think of what to put on that bottom of that vest. Should it be a leather belt strap with velcro attached to it? Should it be a plastic abs belt (how to attach it to the cloth vest comes up). Maybe a heavy canvas belt that can be attached to the bottom of the vest and then sew in black loop (what appears to be the black segments) into it (have to dye the vest first and make sure it's color fast, then attach the belt, or attach the bottom belt with snaps or velcro to the vest so it can be washed separately if needed). Any ideas? Pouches shouldn't be too hard, I'm assuming there's two approaches. 1) Attach the bloody things to the vest. 2) create some sort of framework for the pouches that attach to the belt (that can probably be done easily). suggest using a riggers belt they come in all colors and military S-clips for attaching the pouches they have a nice shape and can hold the pouches uniformly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Your work looks good so far. MY question is how do you plan to color your vest? Are you gonna dye it and hand paint the camo patterns? One problem I've had in the past is that elastic strips DO NOT take well to dyes. The polyester fibers donot take or hold the dyes well. I am not sure how it will do with the fabric paints. The ridging looks good. I think I would try to find a more natural fibered replacement for the elastic. Something made from cotton or hemp. Maybe even a very textured canvas like material like they use in strapping...not a nylon type. I will do a little research and see what I can find. The fabric I found today is called monks cloth and it is 100% natural cotton. I also found cotton strapping that has a nice texture too. Both of these fabrics will take dyes and fabric paints really well. I will post a picture as soon as I find either a googled picture of it or geta photo uploaded on my computer. Thx ladyghst, I had planned on trying various techniques to dye the material. I have plenty of extra material to test with, and my thoughts were anything from different dye solutions that give me an approximate color to using my airbrush to put the color on (was going to use that to actually add the camo patterns). When I started the vest I was more interested in working through some of the issues I would have with it that only getting my hands dirty could provide. Some of the questions that I've been able to raise by just mocking this up and playing with it have been where the belts go, what materials they're made of, how they attach to the vest, what materials the bottom belt is made of, how the pouches are attached to the vest, and now .. what dye will work and possibly what materials or fabrics should we actually make this out of. My sewing skills suck to be honest so this has also been a good learning tool for how things would fit together. I'm open to suggestions on what materials to use :-) BTW .. Comic-con was fun... but HOT ... very HOT. suggest using a riggers belt they come in all colors and military S-clips for attaching the pouches they have a nice shape and can hold the pouches uniformly I'll take a look! thx!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB0438 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 So ya .. been busy with work LOL. I'm just starting to see sunlight again, and I'll start up this vest effort again. Anyone else have any progress on it? Now off to the store that sells dyes as the material store I use doesn't sell them (weird). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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