chalk mock up for undersuit suede patches/thigh straps

[That One Scout]

my flak jacket and 'bund arent going to be here till end of aug, armor wont be here till mid july, while i wait....

i did my outlines in chalk for the tailor to have references.the top line on the front they meets the zipper (horizontal) is 4.5in on either side of the zipper. from the groin to the bottom (inseam) is 9in. on the back it is again 9in from groin to bottom (inseam) going up from the groin seam where the legs all meet, up to the top on the back along the spine is  7in.

on the front the 4 red lines (each 2in apart on either side) will be where i want the thigh elastic straps....

does all this look correct?

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[BikerScout007]

Shape looks good.  I think the thigh straps could be a bit higher.

If you look here you can see the thigh straps align with the bottom of the codpiece:

Now I realize you don't have your codpiece yet, but you can kind imagine where it will bottom out -- right at the crotch.  

[That One Scout]

5 minutes ago, BikerScout007 said:

Shape looks good.  I think the thigh straps could be a bit higher.

If you look here you can see the thigh straps align with the bottom of the codpiece:

Now I realize you don't have your codpiece yet, but you can kind imagine where it will bottom out -- right at the crotch.  

rog, its difficult to do all this without everything and im not known for my patience haha i shake christmas and bday boxes. so would it be safe to say roughly up about 1/2 an inch?

[BikerScout007]

No they should be about even with where your hands are

[Aradun]

My two cents from my own experience...round the top outside edge of your front patches a bit more like so...



The reason being you do not have your cod piece to see how the patches will appear beneath it. You mentioned that you have a relatively thin build so your cod piece might need to be slightly narrower to accommodate your build and then you run the risk of having those corner edges popping out from beneath your cod piece.

When I did mine, I had squared off ends. Then when I did my cod piece the corners of those squared off edges poked out from beneath the cod ever so slightly. So I had to go back, seem rip the front patch at the corners, round them, and restitch by hand.

You’ll save yourself some potential aggravation by rounding them now, not to mention another trip to your seamstress.


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[That One Scout]

1 hour ago, AradunFF said:

My two cents from my own experience...round the top outside edge of your front patches a bit more like so...



The reason being you do not have your cod piece to see how the patches will appear beneath it. You mentioned that you have a relatively thin build so your cod piece might need to be slightly narrower to accommodate your build and then you run the risk of having those corner edges popping out from beneath your cod piece.

When I did mine, I had squared off ends. Then when I did my cod piece the corners of those squared off edges poked out from beneath the cod ever so slightly. So I had to go back, seem rip the front patch at the corners, round them, and restitch by hand.

You’ll save yourself some potential aggravation by rounding them now, not to mention another trip to your seamstress.


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thanks @AradunFF and @BikerScout007 ill redraw the top curves and move the thigh straps up and take another pic tomorrow

[That One Scout]

round 2... curved the top portion on the front and raised the thigh straps..ive had hip surgery and lean to my left some but its all even..

 

[Aradun]

Mike, looking good! Just make sure that they are as even as possible.  In the photo, the right side looks like the curve drops sharper at the top than the left side, but it could just be an optical thing with the way the undersuit is laid out for the photo. You did say that everything was even and it appears less noticeable in the photo where you are wearing it.

 

Get into the habit of double and triple checking everything. It’ll save you a ton of time having to redo things down the line .

 

The CRL is you new best friend. Keep a copy within hands reach as you work on your build. https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:TB_Scout_trooper

 

 

In the CRL photo above you can see how the patch curves in behind the cod piece. I’ve seen some apps where the patches come up higher as in the reference photo posted by BikerScout007 above. Both ways have been approved.

 

You’ll also notice that the patches come down and sit behind the knee armor. I think the rule of thumb is that they end about 1 - 1.5” above your knee. If I’m wrong, someone will correct me.

 

Here’s a shot of my undersuit. You can see the original stitch lines along the top if you zoom in. As I mentioned earlier, the corners were poking out ever so slightly from behind the cod piece so I adjusted them accordingly because I’m shooting for Lancer with my build, and that would be an issue.

 

 

To be clear, my scout is still a WIP and I have not been approved yet. I’m certain the undersuit will pass basic, but it may turn out that I need to round the front patches in a bit more at the top for Lancer depending on how it looks with the cod piece once everything comes together.

 

I think your layout looks good. I don’t think you’ll have an issue with the new curve. Hopefully one of the armorers will chime in. Keep up the great work and keep those questions coming. You’ll get lots of help along the way.

 

 

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[That One Scout]

@AradunFF  thanks for all the input, tomorrow im gonna look at it again and try to get those lines at the top perfect. i think the left leg might be slightly off the more i look at it.

[Aradun]

My pleasure Mike. Have you considered making a pattern?

 

Concentrate on getting one side the way you want using chalk. Then use a brown paper shopping bag, large sheet of paper, or even the thin cardboard from a cereal box to make the pattern. Once you have a pattern you can transfer it to the other side to ensure that both sides match and are symmetrical.

 

You’ll also need the pattern to cut out the fabric for the patches. If you’re going to have a seamstress do it then at least you can be sure the patches will be done the way you like if you provide them with the pattern.

 

Here’s an example from my own WIP:

 

 

More details can be found in my WIP if you’re interested.

 

http://forum.501stpathfinders.com/index.php?/topic/21137-dennis-scout-wip-lancer/

 

 

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[Retrofire]

Dennis has a point about making a pattern. That will ensure your markings are consistent and even. The rounding at the top looks pretty good and I see you listened to Bikerscout007 and relocated your thigh straps so those look good too. Looking at your pic it seems that your lower patch marking on the left (your right) leg is higher than the right (your left). Another good gauge it your knee armor and you can see the distance between the knees and the patches on the CRL model. The model is @Strider and he’s a pretty tall guy like you so that’s a pretty good pic to judge your distances with.

In your pic you can get an idea of what I’m talking about. You can see the differences in height of the patch chalk lines there. Maybe it’s just the pic but it would be a good idea to verify. The yellow boxes are where I’m assuming your knees are to give you a sight picture against the CRL model. 

You’re doing great Mike keep it up and keep asking those questions.

[Strider]

If I'd do it again I would make the patch come up a bit higher. This flightsuit is still from my very first costume and I was always to lazy do it again 😉

For the pattern I would put on the suit and the cod piece and then have somebody do the pattern while you're standing. This way you can exactly emulate how it sits on the image from the Star Wars Costumes book.

Cheers

[That One Scout]

38 minutes ago, Retrofire said:

Dennis has a point about making a pattern. That will ensure your markings are consistent and even. The rounding at the top looks pretty good and I see you listened to Bikerscout007 and relocated your thigh straps so those look good too. Looking at your pic it seems that your lower patch marking on the left (your right) leg is higher than the right (your left). Another good gauge it your knee armor and you can see the distance between the knees and the patches on the CRL model. The model is @Strider and he’s a pretty tall guy like you so that’s a pretty good pic to judge your distances with.

In your pic you can get an idea of what I’m talking about. You can see the differences in height of the patch chalk lines there. Maybe it’s just the pic but it would be a good idea to verify. The yellow boxes are where I’m assuming your knees are to give you a sight picture against the CRL model. 

You’re doing great Mike keep it up and keep asking those questions.

in this picture my right legs patch does look alittle sorter but in the pic there are 2 factors playing into it, the rest of the cloth is doing this weird roll thing around my leg making it look shorter then the left, and i always lean more on my left leg because of a hip surgery on my right leg. i just rechecked it all and at the bottom they are the same length, just a bad picture. im gonna take your guys advice and after i type this up i'm gonna make a template to get the curves perfect...they are a little off.

for the curve should i duplicate the right or left top curve, which one is a better curve?

for the overall length of the patch, in reference to the knee, i picked about an in between between what ive seen in the CRL and what i've seen in approved WIP. some stop before the knee pad some dont...to be honest this is one of the things ive worried about with it all, more so than the curve at the top.

 

again, thanks guys for the help, sorry to be "that guy" asking a million questions

[Aradun]

Mike, I would recommend going with the curve pictured on the left side in the photo (your right when wearing the undersuit). It’s a more gradual curve.

 

As to the length, Retrofire provided solid advice above. It’s easier to go long and trim it back if needed than to go short and have to redo everything.

 

If you’re leery, see if you can find a scout in your local garrison who might let you borrow his knee armor so you see how things line up. A local scout would be a great resource for you and depending on location might even be able to give you a hand with your build.

 

Don’t worry about all the questions Mike. You won’t find anyone complaining about them. Ask away. Everyone here is always eager to help a fellow scout .

 

 

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[Retrofire]

2 hours ago, AradunFF said:

Don’t worry about all the questions Mike. You won’t find anyone complaining about them. Ask away. Everyone here is always eager to help a fellow scout .

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We’re here to help you be successful Mike so keep asking those questions!

@Strider Thanks very much for weighing in on the flight suit. Guys like you are the Jedi Masters of the Scout soft goods!