Hask Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Yes that's exactly what I'm saying for L2 the costume can have it but it's not compulsory. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut65 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 But, does that mean that Level 1 cannot have it? That is my confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiel Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 But, does that mean that Level 1 cannot have it? That is my confusion. As stated: lvl1 indicates MINIMAL requirements. Lvl2 is an ADVANCED level of accuracy, if I may say so... This means you can use anything from Lvl2 stuff during your initial approval. You can have parts from Lvl2 in your Lvl1.For many people flexible abs plate will be more convenient. So they will have all from lvl1 and abs from lvl2.Отправлено с моего SM-G955F через Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 What Denis said, a costume can clear at any level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 When are you looking for the L2 updates to go live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, Hask said: When are you looking for the L2 updates to go live? I'm going to go through the CRL one more time and see if there's anything that needs tweaking. Then we can get these up! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Looks good to me and anything else that comes to light can always be added later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthar Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I'm doing a few updates on the suit this afternoon to tighten things up. I'll have a pass and see if anything comes to immediate mind. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Ruthar said: I'm doing a few updates on the suit this afternoon to tighten things up. I'll have a pass and see if anything comes to immediate mind. Excellent! And I expect you to go for Level 2 "CHiPs" once we get the requirements officially added to the CRL! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthar Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 A couple things, now that I sat down to actually look through things: Helmet - Do we want to add a mention of the mesh behind the teeth? Maybe we can move requiring them to be cut out and backed with mesh to level 2? Pants - There is additional stitching seen on the Hot Toys figure at the backside, akin to riding pants. Do we want to require that for level 2? Here's a shot of what the Hot Toys backside looks like for reference: Shoulder Armour - "attaches to jacket with no visible strapping" - perhaps remove the "jacket" requirement to read "sit flush with the shoulder strap with no visible strapping." Unless we are certain that it's actually affixed to the jacket, in which case we can definitely leave it. Belt - Perhaps it's worthwhile to be more specific about the size of the leather pouches? Maybe something like this: To the immediate left of the white front belt boxes, there is a small leather (or leather-like) pouch with a hard plate and black press stud that is roughly 3" in length, the same length as the front boxes. To the left of this small pouch and to the right of the front belt boxes are two large leather pouches that are roughly 4" in length. TD - "Silver rings border the openings on the box that the tube passes through." The TD I received with my kit has the silver ring only on the left side where the longer piece meets the box. Maybe it's better to move this requirement to level 2 as it will need adjusting from everyone if we keep it. Just a thought - I'm not even sure what kind of ribbing/detail is on the tube between the box and the ribbed cap on the right side (I just weathered that region myself on my belt for the time being). Boots - "Dogbone is attached to the boot with a thin rubber-like strap passing under the boot's sole." This might be really splitting hairs, but it doesn't look like it's a rubber strap on the Hot Toys figure - maybe just requiring a less-defined "strap" is enough? I used nylon webbing on mine as it looks close to what the figure has to my eyes. Holster and Baton Holder - Perhaps we should move the requirement for the items to fit into the holsters to level 2? It seems strange to me to require those items to fit when they are optional accessories at level 1. I assume we should require the blaster and baton for level 2 (assuming there aren't laws preventing weaponry in the appliant's country)? I think that's all I found. Sorry, it was more than I thought - looking forward to hearing what you guys think! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut65 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Good points, Taylor. Adding on to your comments… TD – I agree that the silver specifics are really not visible for overall submittal pix, but could be added to L2 requirements. Boot Dogbone Strap - Maybe removing the words ‘rubber-like’ and leave it as a black strap. That would allow the ribbed rubber that Denis provides, or elastic or nylon. Boots and Shin Armor – I really think all specs for the shin armor should be noted under ‘Shin Armor’ and not included under ‘Boots’ as well. Holster and Baton Holders – I agree on your thoughts. Maybe ‘If optional items are included, they must fit in the holders”. Also, in the photo you provided, the baton holder loops over the belt. I don’t know if that is just easier to manufacture for a toy, or if it is screen accurate. I have not researched this, just an observation. White Shoulder Straps – The current CRL only states: “Shoulder straps are white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.” This leaves the choice of material up to anyone. Maybe we add for Level 2 – “Shoulder straps are to be ribbed white rubber straps” to better define the straps that Denis provides and are visible in pix. I’m wrapping up my build and have another thought to ponder… I’d like to consider having L1 Boot requirement for the “faux leather riding boots” be willing to accept leather/leather-like chaps with boots as an option. Let me explain… I think there may be other recruits may be of similar financial limitations that I am encountering, and the $229 leather boots are not obtainable at the moment. (Even the $40 pleather boots wouldn’t be funded by my wife) Instead, I have used leather chaps and my old TK boots, painted black. The boot/chap combo is 98% covered by the leg armor and still has the top snap visible. Granted, I need to pull them up higher off the boots, but they meet the intent of looking like riding boots with armor. If these would be acceptable as ‘faux leather boots’, then Level 2 may be “One-Piece Black leather or faux leather riding boots” in order to eliminate the chaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 Okay I'll take these one at a time 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: Helmet - Do we want to add a mention of the mesh behind the teeth? Maybe we can move requiring them to be cut out and backed with mesh to level 2? Yeah I think that's a great idea for level 2! 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: Pants - There is additional stitching seen on the Hot Toys figure at the backside, akin to riding pants. Do we want to require that for level 2? Here's a shot of what the Hot Toys backside looks like for reference: I've seen this on the Hot Toys I've gotten my hands on. This is something I would really need to see a picture of the screen used costume to decide upon. The Toy is a great reference but we aren't making a CRL of the Toy. This patch could be there or it could be something they had to do to make the pants, or it was in the original design but never made it to the final character. I'd need a better reference I think. 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: Shoulder Armour - "attaches to jacket with no visible strapping" - perhaps remove the "jacket" requirement to read "sit flush with the shoulder strap with no visible strapping." Unless we are certain that it's actually affixed to the jacket, in which case we can definitely leave it. Yeah that's not bad. I might just say "Shoulder armor has no visible strapping". Period. 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: Belt - Perhaps it's worthwhile to be more specific about the size of the leather pouches? Maybe something like this: To the immediate left of the white front belt boxes, there is a small leather (or leather-like) pouch with a hard plate and black press stud that is roughly 3" in length, the same length as the front boxes. To the left of this small pouch and to the right of the front belt boxes are two large leather pouches that are roughly 4" in length. Since we're saying "roughly" I think that's a fair change to make. Hard to get specific without getting exact measurements off the costume. 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: TD - "Silver rings border the openings on the box that the tube passes through." The TD I received with my kit has the silver ring only on the left side where the longer piece meets the box. Maybe it's better to move this requirement to level 2 as it will need adjusting from everyone if we keep it. Just a thought - I'm not even sure what kind of ribbing/detail is on the tube between the box and the ribbed cap on the right side (I just weathered that region myself on my belt for the time being). How is it on the Hot Toys? I need to take a look at it again. But just keep in mind we aren't tailoring the CRL to any one particular maker. 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: Boots - "Dogbone is attached to the boot with a thin rubber-like strap passing under the boot's sole." This might be really splitting hairs, but it doesn't look like it's a rubber strap on the Hot Toys figure - maybe just requiring a less-defined "strap" is enough? I used nylon webbing on mine as it looks close to what the figure has to my eyes. Seems fair to me. But again, we are writing a CRL for the character in the film, not the toy. I'm pretty sure we had reasons for putting "rubber-like" for the strap at the time. I need to go back through the research to determine why exactly. 6 hours ago, Ruthar said: Holster and Baton Holder - Perhaps we should move the requirement for the items to fit into the holsters to level 2? It seems strange to me to require those items to fit when they are optional accessories at level 1. I assume we should require the blaster and baton for level 2 (assuming there aren't laws preventing weaponry in the appliant's country)? Good idea! Thanks for the suggestions, we'll incorporate some of these and some others we need some more research. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Sounds good! I unfortunately don’t have a Hot Toys figure myself, so I just went off whatever pictures I could find. We really need a shot of this guys backside! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Give me 5 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Here you goSent from my GM1920 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Is there a reference for the teeth mesh?Sent from my GM1920 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hask said: Is there a reference for the teeth mesh? Sent from my GM1920 using Tapatalk The promo shot has them if you really zoom in. You can just about make it out between the teeth here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I see something but going to be honest it's not clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut65 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Found it. Yes, there is screen! The highest resolution promo shot I can find is on Wookieepedia - Here. Zooming in, I got a screen capture to see the screen. It actually looks like one sheet running vertically and covering the whole frown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 Sounds good! I unfortunately don’t have a Hot Toys figure myself, so I just went off whatever pictures I could find. We really need a shot of this guys backside! I just looked at the Hot Toys figure I was lent. There is definitely rings on both sides of the TD, but they don't appear silver. I'm trying to remember now where we got that info from when we wrote the CRL! And here's the riding patch. It's more of a butt patch than the one the Scout trooper has. I'm a little torn about this one. It would be a good Level 2 detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, wingnut65 said: Found it. Yes, there is screen! The highest resolution promo shot I can find is on Wookieepedia - Here. Zooming in, I got a screen capture to see the screen. It actually looks like one sheet running vertically and covering the whole frown. Im concerned about basing a requirement on a blurred image. I can see lines yes but someone could paint those on to match the picture above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 23 hours ago, wingnut65 said: Good points, Taylor. Adding on to your comments… TD – I agree that the silver specifics are really not visible for overall submittal pix, but could be added to L2 requirements. Boot Dogbone Strap - Maybe removing the words ‘rubber-like’ and leave it as a black strap. That would allow the ribbed rubber that Denis provides, or elastic or nylon. Boots and Shin Armor – I really think all specs for the shin armor should be noted under ‘Shin Armor’ and not included under ‘Boots’ as well. Holster and Baton Holders – I agree on your thoughts. Maybe ‘If optional items are included, they must fit in the holders”. Also, in the photo you provided, the baton holder loops over the belt. I don’t know if that is just easier to manufacture for a toy, or if it is screen accurate. I have not researched this, just an observation. White Shoulder Straps – The current CRL only states: “Shoulder straps are white and are affixed to the chest plate at the buckle.” This leaves the choice of material up to anyone. Maybe we add for Level 2 – “Shoulder straps are to be ribbed white rubber straps” to better define the straps that Denis provides and are visible in pix. I’m wrapping up my build and have another thought to ponder… I’d like to consider having L1 Boot requirement for the “faux leather riding boots” be willing to accept leather/leather-like chaps with boots as an option. Let me explain… I think there may be other recruits may be of similar financial limitations that I am encountering, and the $229 leather boots are not obtainable at the moment. (Even the $40 pleather boots wouldn’t be funded by my wife) Instead, I have used leather chaps and my old TK boots, painted black. The boot/chap combo is 98% covered by the leg armor and still has the top snap visible. Granted, I need to pull them up higher off the boots, but they meet the intent of looking like riding boots with armor. If these would be acceptable as ‘faux leather boots’, then Level 2 may be “One-Piece Black leather or faux leather riding boots” in order to eliminate the chaps. Fully in agreement about the white shoulder straps. We need to specify that they are rubber-like and ribbed. The boots...not so sure on this. I mean really, for basic you are doing a front, back and sides pic. So as far as the GML is concerned, as long as it looks correct with everything on, you should be okay. I don't think the CRL is really the place to be putting every possible configuration someone could come up with to make it look like they are wearing boots. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Hask said: Im concerned about basing a requirement on a blurred image. I can see lines yes but someone could paint those on to match the picture above. The mesh can be seen on the Anovos lid so I think we can safely add that to the Level 2 requirements. Not for L1 though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hask Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Anovos have been known to be wrong in several area's Officer tunics, snowtrooper helmets etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthar Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Hask said: Im concerned about basing a requirement on a blurred image. I can see lines yes but someone could paint those on to match the picture above. I guess you could paint them on, but that would be quite the task - it's a pretty small and isolated area. I agree with the trepidation in regards to Anovos, but I think the reference images provided above in tandem with Anovos' addition of the mesh could be sufficient. In regards to the backside patch, I did a search for motorcycle breeches, motorcycle police pants, etc. A lot of the results seem to include that seam as well, such as this image below. Still not enough to really make a decision there, but it makes at least a little more sense as to where that detail might have come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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