RS's scout up close

[762s]

most recent pics coming from the brussels comicon(3-19) --- had a friend send these to me

its getting there but, theres still some issues. 
esp. if one is trying to go for lancer and well, even basic wont pass with the way it is currently.

my list will be made off of what i see with this current scout, @RS Prop Masters may change or fix some of these details ...
and as always, we hope they will

needs fixed for basic approval:
~ raglan sleeves / quilting on the sleeve is needed
~ 2" velcro closure for flak vest needed / cant see any stitching for this detail from the outside
~ 2" velcro closure for the cummerbund / it looks like its 1"
~ TD greeblies are backwards
~ there are a few more details listed in the "things to note" section below / im not putting them here as we cant see those details in the pics

needs fixed for lancer:
~ boots / youll need new boots as IB boots have a 2 toned sole or figure a way to paint them? / and, we dont know the size of the velcro closure either
~ elastic for back tank looks to be 1" / not the 1/2" that is required 
~ fix the cummerbund / this bund is to tall
~ back tank stripes for lancer only allows 1, 4 or 6 / in the pic they have 2 so, you will have to add more stripes
~ TD will need to be repainted light or medium grey / their color looks to dark
~ vents on holster cut out / its hard to tell in the pic if they are
~ blaster doesnt look to have the proper lense discs on the back of the scope / it looks like its flat in that area
~ there are a few more details listed in the "things to note" section below / im not putting them here as we cant see those details in the pics

things to note // further inspection needed:
~ do the shoulder bells have the elastic strapping?
~ is the boot velcro closure 1" ? / this detail is needed for basic
~ it looks like the resized the pouches / will this be the new look for IB pouches?
~ the strapping on the legs have a weird pull to them / you can see what looks like the strapping going through the suede patch
~ thigh strapping looks tight / how are they going to size this detail to every customer
~ is the suede patch fixed and going around to the back of the thigh?
~ is the cummerbund rib stitching(quilting) 1" ?
~ elastic sizes on the armor / for lancer they will all need to be proper sizes.  we already see the tank elastic is to big
~ helmet still has the gap on the side where faceplate(visor) meets the helmet
~ the cod piece arch/curved detail looks abit to rounded -- this looks like the gino scout detail
~ are they using a balaclava / is one even sent with the kit?
~ not sure how the strapping system will work out for the cod piece / most of use some velcro to keep this piece in place 
~ with the tank strap being to wide, if they have secured the strap through the solid rivet then youll have to drill that out to replace the strap. and that is something most people will not want to take on. 

pros:
~ the side strapping closing back on it self is nice to see / although in the pic it look like its not connected but, you can see the stitching for the velcro
~ they are using the zip tie shoulder bell method mentioned here
~ shoulder bridge covers are nice
~ gloves look good / are they the new IB gloves?
~ the red stripe detail on the top of tank is nice
~ the pouches look alot better / hope this is their new standard

feel free to comment and add to the post if you see something i missed please chime in ...
and like i said above i hope RS can fix some of these details.

[Darth Chridan]

Thanks for sharing, Ken 👌

[Darth Chridan]

One thing I have to add....the codpiece--->>

RS one:

Original one:

--->> At the RS codpiece the seam is too high.

....but I think only the armour parts are relevant....isn't it?!?

Cheers...

[Aliaz]

Nice pictures! I agree with all your points. Most interesting will be too see the size of the boot closure, bund closure etc that will be a deal breaker for basic if it's not right and it's such an easy thing to get right it should not be wrong.

[doubledx]

I agree with all your points, the pictures are very nice. the Armor looks good but the soft parts and the boots are the problem.

greetings

[CatfoodRob]

What's wrong with the t.d. Details ? They look perfect to me. 

Yes the holster has hacksaw cuts. Yes the boots have one inch Velcro . 

I really wish this forum wasn't so primitive that photos can't be uploaded , I have no way of shrinking photos to upload ... 

[CatfoodRob]

If this photo loads , from tapatalk , it shows a screen TD , which looks the same as the Belgium costume one.


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[TK-23181]

I took the pictures.

Stitching on the sleeves is there. The gloves are vintage ones.

The gloves from IB are replicas 

[Aliaz]

If this photo loads , from tapatalk , it shows a screen TD , which looks the same as the Belgium costume one.


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Taken from the the CRL, the requirement is the other way around like most of the screen used ones were.

”The rectangular part of the thermal detonator greeblie, fixed on the left side of the detonator, is the same as used in the rebel Endor trooper rank badge.
On the right hand side is the same round greeblie as used on the Scout tank topper.”




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[762s]

5 hours ago, Darth Chridan said:

One thing I have to add....the codpiece--->>

RS one:

 

Original one:

 

--->> At the RS codpiece the seam is too high.

....but I think only the armour parts are relevant....isn't it?!?

Cheers...

i mentioned "~ the cod piece arch/curved detail looks abit to rounded -- this looks like the gino scout detail"
i agree with what you say too ... the seam is to high. 
even if they pull the belt/bund up with the size of the radius it makes it to high
 

4 hours ago, Aliaz said:

Nice pictures! I agree with all your points. Most interesting will be too see the size of the boot closure, bund closure etc that will be a deal breaker for basic if it's not right and it's such an easy thing to get right it should not be wrong.

looking at the picture of the IB boots on their website the shaft seems to be wider at the top (ill post pic below) its concerning because not everyone is the same. 
this is a detail that really needs to be tailored for each customer, as with alot details on this costume. 
even my first pair of boots with giving someone the measurement was still to wide, i had to rip them apart and rebuild them. 
imagine all the details that need to be customized to the wearer that will have to be modified out the box!

i feel they need to step back and stop trying to mass produce this costume. 
you really cant mass produce this costume and have proper looking scouts out there. 
we are going to end up with baggy looking, improperly fitted armor, 5 gallon bucket boot scouts. 

 

2 hours ago, TK-23181 said:

I took the pictures.

Stitching on the sleeves is there. The gloves are vintage ones.

The gloves from IB are replicas 

thank you for taking your time and taking pics and sending them my way 

and that is good to here the stitching is in the sleeve but, for basic if we do not see it quilted then it is an issue.

the crl states:

• Raglan sleeves are padded and contain ribbing similar to the front of the cummerbund.
  
  so, seeing that the IB flak vest shoulders have the quilting like the cummerbund and sleeves do not this flak vest can not pass for basic!
  the entire sleeve needs to be quilted like the shoulder area is.

 

[Whiskey]

There does appear to be shoulder straps, but from a center point?

 

As for what’s going on here....maybe it’s their Prototype armor??

 

The TD in the 360 video shows a different orientation of the greeblies 

 

As for the strips on the hump, here is an image from RS’ FB page

[762s]

On 3/3/2019 at 9:48 AM, Whiskey said:

There does appear to be shoulder straps, but from a center point?

~

 

As for what’s going on here....maybe it’s their Prototype armor??

 

The TD in the 360 video shows a different orientation of the greeblies 

 

~

As for the strips on the hump, here is an image from RS’ FB page

~

nice, thanks for posting the extra info ...

the shoulder bell strap have a center point connection is common. 
i use that method but, the strap is not nearly as tight around my arm like it is in your pic there.

maybe, they messed up this TD greeblie?  i know i did when i first built my scout.

and the rank stripes are another detail i wish they would ask about.  how many does the customer want? 1-4-6 ?
when you get to 6 stripes the width of the stripe gets smaller.  compared to the 1 and  4 rank striped size.  as well the placement of the rank stripes change.

*uploaded some screen grabs of 3 different rank strips ... width and location are different

 

 

 

[Whiskey]

36 minutes ago, 762s said:

nice, thanks for posting the extra info ...

the shoulder bell strap have a center point connection is common. 
i use that method but, the strap is not nearly as tight around my arm like it is in your pic there.

maybe, they messed up this TD greeblie?  i know i did when i first built my scout.

and the rank stripes are another detail i wish they would ask about.  how many does the customer want? 1-4-6 ?
when you get to 6 stripes the width of the stripe gets smaller.  compared to the 1 and  4 rank striped size.  as well the placement of the rank stripes change.

*uploaded some screen grabs of 3 different rank strips ... width and location are different

Thanks for pointing out the stripes. 

 

Nice, I guess the more stripes there are, the more narrower, longer, closer they are together, and the higher up the tank. 

Never noticed that

[Whiskey]

Can you get into basic without a tank? 😉

 

What about no stripes? By the way the image is reversed, you can tell by the barcode on the helmet so this is the correct side if stripes if they were on there

 

[BikerScout007]

38 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

Can you get into basic without a tank? 😉

 

What about no stripes? By the way the image is reversed, you can tell by the barcode on the helmet so this is the correct side if stripes if they were on there

 

The answer to both questions is no    As a Detachment, our CRL is for the best representation of the costume.  We don't allow for every costume mishap that shows up in a split second screen shot .

Most of the problems I'm seeing with the costume are the soft goods.   The codpiece arch is a bit too severe.  And the bund goes on way too far past the pouches.  It should be about two inches shorter than it is.  By our estimates, the bund should measure from top to bottom between 8-10 inches.  That one looks to be in the neighborhood of 12-14.  But I will say that once it's on with all the armor it looks fairly good, just a bit too billowy because of the extra material.

The thigh strap is tricky as It needs to fit the wearer's thigh without pulling too hard on the leg and at the same time, not be so loose that it droops.  That's a tricky detail to try to mass produce.  And I've never seen any evidence that the thigh straps go under the patch.  Or at least can be seen under the patch.  That could be because the leather used on the film scouts was thicker than the suede on display here.  

And let me add once again -- no costume is approvable off the shelf.  Everything must be tailored to the particular costumer.  

[BikerScout007]

5 hours ago, CatfoodRob said:

What's wrong with the t.d. Details ? They look perfect to me. 

Yes the holster has hacksaw cuts. Yes the boots have one inch Velcro . 

I really wish this forum wasn't so primitive that photos can't be uploaded , I have no way of shrinking photos to upload ... 

They are reversed.  Not a big deal . Break them off and reglue them on the proper sides.

Photos can be loaded directly to the forum as long as they aren't too big.   We don't have a huge allotment of space for photos on our server because we are a non-profit, all-volunteer organization with an operating budget based on donations.  We only have so much money to spend on bells and whistles.   If you wish to upload photos, do what the rest of us do:  either use Tapatalk when posting a picture or get a photo hosting site like Photobucket, imgur or flickr.   I use Dropbox.  

And finally, dude, I've read quite a few of your comments on here about the RS Scout and you really come across as defensive and a bit hostile.  No one is going to be perfect out of the gate and the fact that RS is on here quite regularly getting feedback and implementing it into their product tells me they are well aware of that fact.  So why aren't you? 

We are all trying to reach a good end here.  I've chatted with Rob quite a bit and we both love this costume and want to get to the best possible result.   This is a process and it does not happen overnight.   Are some people going to have to rework their soft goods after receiving them?   Yes.  But that would be true no matter who the maker was.  

I'm really excited to get some screen lineage armor out there.  The Scout has had some quite frankly below par choices in the past, but in recent years the prop makers have gotten better and more screen accurate.  The issues I'm seeing here are with the soft goods, not the armor.  We'll get there, it's just going to take some time.  I'm grateful to all our members who are providing constructive feedback on this Scout and I'm grateful to RS for being open to it.  That's the way forward.  

[Whiskey]

18 minutes ago, BikerScout007 said:

They are reversed.  Not a big deal . Break them off and reglue them on the proper sides.

Maybe just cut the zip tie and rotate the base?

[BikerScout007]

16 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

Maybe just cut the zip tie and rotate the base?

Whatever works, my dude!  

[CatfoodRob]

If you turn the T.D upside down then aren't the oblong greeblies going to be upside down, although in the right orientation ? 

Its not an issue really as only two T.Ds have been built in that configuration ( mine was one !!! Lol...) so all future ones can be done as the c.r.l.  Rob used the picture I posted above ( I've learned about tapatalk) to build his, not the CRL ... doh . 

Onwards and upwards for RS . 

 

[Darth Chridan]

4 hours ago, 762s said:

i mentioned "~ the cod piece arch/curved detail looks abit to rounded -- this looks like the gino scout detail"
i agree with what you say too ... the seam is to high. 
even if they pull the belt/bund up with the size of the radius it makes it to high
 

 

Yes...sry, I've overlooked that.

[Stroker]

3 hours ago, BikerScout007 said:

The answer to both questions is no    As a Detachment, our CRL is for the best representation of the costume.  We don't allow for every costume mishap that shows up in a split second screen shot .

Most of the problems I'm seeing with the costume are the soft goods.   The codpiece arch is a bit too severe.  And the bund goes on way too far past the pouches.  It should be about two inches shorter than it is.  By our estimates, the bund should measure from top to bottom between 8-10 inches.  That one looks to be in the neighborhood of 12-14.  But I will say that once it's on with all the armor it looks fairly good, just a bit too billowy because of the extra material.

The thigh strap is tricky as It needs to fit the wearer's thigh without pulling too hard on the leg and at the same time, not be so loose that it droops.  That's a tricky detail to try to mass produce.  And I've never seen any evidence that the thigh straps go under the patch.  Or at least can be seen under the patch.  That could be because the leather used on the film scouts was thicker than the suede on display here.  

And let me add once again -- no costume is approvable off the shelf.  Everything must be tailored to the particular costumer.  

I've wondered for the longest if that tank on you have circled is rubber.

Also to add to the bund info I'm 6'5" and my bund is 9" tall.

[RS Prop Masters]

 

We had a great time in Brussels. It was so good to meet Mathijs and chat about the Scout. 

Let's address the points raised. 

needs fixed for basic approval:
~ raglan sleeves / quilting on the sleeve is needed - agreed. 
~ 2" velcro closure for flak vest needed / agreed.
~ 2" velcro closure for the cummerbund / agreed.
~ TD greeblies are backwards - agreed
~ there are a few more details listed in the "things to note" section below / im not putting them here as we cant see those details in the pics

 

So the above are required to have the Scout pass basic clearance? 

 

Lancer is a different prospect but I'll look over the parts. We are planning to have our armour meet all the requirements. We know the boots will not meet lancer status so currently a Lancer out of the box is not possible. Thats not a bad thing, Lancer should be something to aspire to. 

needs fixed for lancer:
~ boots / youll need new boots as IB boots have a 2 toned sole or figure a way to paint them? / and, we dont know the size of the velcro closure either
~ elastic for back tank looks to be 1" / not the 1/2" that is required easily fixed just a build issue. 
~ fix the cummerbund / this bund is to tall, agreed. These are all to be made to measure. 
~ back tank stripes for lancer only allows 1, 4 or 6 / in the pic they have 2 so, you will have to add more stripes agreed, not a problem. 
~ TD will need to be repainted light or medium grey / their color looks to dark, thanks for the tip. 
~ vents on holster cut out / its hard to tell in the pic if they are. They re cut out, roughly with a hacksaw and unevenly as per screen shots.
~ blaster doesnt look to have the proper lense discs on the back of the scope / it looks like its flat in that area, correct. A new mould of our original Single point is underway. 

things to note // further inspection needed:
~ do the shoulder bells have the elastic strapping? Yes, single routing point.
~ is the boot velcro closure 1" ? / this detail is needed for basic yes it is, are the boots not already clearable? they have been around a long time. 
~ it looks like the resized the pouches / will this be the new look for IB pouches? Yes, they are the size stated in the CRL.
~ the strapping on the legs have a weird pull to them / you can see what looks like the strapping going through the suede patch. It does not, but the strap is too tight currently.
~ thigh strapping looks tight / how are they going to size this detail to every customer, by taking measurements?
~ is the suede patch fixed and going around to the back of the thigh? Yes. 
~ is the cummerbund rib stitching(quilting) 1" ? Yes. 
~ elastic sizes on the armor / for lancer they will all need to be proper sizes.  we already see the tank elastic is too big. The hump elastic at 12mm is optional even for Lancer according to the CRL, all other elastics match the requirements.
~ helmet still has the gap on the side where faceplate(visor) meets the helmet, This is a screen derived helmet.
~ the cod piece arch/curved detail looks abit to rounded -- this looks like the gino scout detail. I will look at this again, it is straight until the centre then curves at the centre. 
~ are they using a balaclava / is one even sent with the kit? Yes a balaclava is included. 
~ not sure how the strapping system will work out for the cod piece / most of use some velcro to keep this piece in place. We are treating this as a piece of armour with an underbelly as seen on Fett/Snowy. 
~ with the tank strap being too wide, if they have secured the strap through the solid rivet then youll have to drill that out to replace the strap. and that is something most people will not want to take on. Again not an issue, forward thinking I did not on my own armour and we would not expect anyone to do this.

pros:
~ the side strapping closing back on it self is nice to see / although in the pic it look like its not connected but, you can see the stitching for the velcro. This is the closing method to allow it to be worn, as per screen shots. 
~ they are using the zip tie shoulder bell method mentioned here - and in all suits as per screen shots. 
~ shoulder bridge covers are nice - its just elastic as per screen shots.
~ gloves look good / are they the new IB gloves? Not in these images, but the new IB gloves are a near perfect replica of the found part gloves I am wearing.
~ the red stripe detail on the top of tank is nice, thank you. 
~ the pouches look a lot better / hope this is their new standard. It is. 

Thanks for the feedback. Aside from the boots I don't see any issues moving forward that will prevent the Scout being Lancer out of the box. This leaves the current boot makers to continue supplying as they do and the IB boots to be placeholders for people working to Lancer. I personally prefer these quality made boots to be my preferred choice until I obtain found part boots. 

On a personal note, it was great to give the Scout a run out this weekend and I can't wait to get my suit through the UKG clearance and join the ranks of the Pathfinders.

 I am really looking forward to getting the rest of these Scouts finished up so shipping to start asap.. 

Rob. 

 

[Aliaz]

Great to hear your thoughts Rob, and nice to hear you Will be out Scouting with the Legion soon.


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[762s]

@RS Prop Masters thanks for chiming in on these details.  thanks for listening/working with all of us too.

i removed some of the bullet points and left the ones for more detail/discussion
 

So the above are required to have the Scout pass basic clearance? 
yes

Lancer is a different prospect but I'll look over the parts. We are planning to have our armour meet all the requirements. We know the boots will not meet lancer status so currently a Lancer out of the box is not possible. Thats not a bad thing, Lancer should be something to aspire to. 
i believe having lancer out of the box is not hard to achieve with costume. 
there will need to be some customizing with things ie: flightsuit, boot shaft needing to be taking in.  we dont want the suits to baggy or the boot tops to wide.
if you have to details right then its mostly how you wear the costume to be able to pass lancer.

needs fixed for lancer:

~ fix the cummerbund / this bund is to tall, agreed. These are all to be made to measure. ~ the length can be made to be measured.   but, honestly, imo, the height should all be the same.  the bund doesnt go past the pouches on the bottom and it should tuck up under the armor a couple inches which is determined by the strapping on the side, the side strapping actually hides the top of the bund.  (see pics below)

~ back tank stripes for lancer only allows 1, 4 or 6 / in the pic they have 2 so, you will have to add more stripes agreed, not a problem.  ~ this was talked about a couple post above, its not just having the correct number bars but, also the position of the bars.  they are not all in the same place.  see this post above  http://forum.501stpathfinders.com/index.php?/topic/20137-rss-scout-up-close/&do=findComment&comment=182524

~ blaster doesnt look to have the proper lense discs on the back of the scope / it looks like its flat in that area, correct. A new mould of our original Single point is underway.  ~ is your blaster a lineage blaster or a fan made blaster?

things to note // further inspection needed:

~ is the boot velcro closure 1" ? / this detail is needed for basic yes it is, are the boots not already clearable? they have been around a long time. ~ we reworked the crl last year and this was a lancer specification.  so, IB along with most any boot would clear basic back then.

~ elastic sizes on the armor / for lancer they will all need to be proper sizes.  we already see the tank elastic is too big. The hump elastic at 12mm is optional even for Lancer according to the CRL, all other elastics match the requirements.  ~ again, we reworked the crl last year and this was a lancer specification, if i remember correctly it was not an option then either

~ helmet still has the gap on the side where faceplate(visor) meets the helmet, This is a screen derived helmet.  ~ yes, i know, i have built alot of your helmets and this is a detail the people i have made helmets for request. they want to have this detail/gap closed and be even down the helmets edge, an even reveal (see my pic below)
- granted some screen used helmet are open and have an uneven reveal. 

~ the cod piece arch/curved detail looks abit to rounded -- this looks like the gino scout detail. I will look at this again, it is straight until the centre then curves at the centre.  ~ right, its not an arch with a huge radius ... its a very slight curve.  

 

Thanks for the feedback. Aside from the boots I don't see any issues moving forward that will prevent the Scout being Lancer out of the box. This leaves the current boot makers to continue supplying as they do and the IB boots to be placeholders for people working to Lancer. I personally prefer these quality made boots to be my preferred choice until I obtain found part boots.  ~ good luck finding the correct inter sneaker .. every other scout i know is searching for them ... have you all thought about having someone recreate the sole?  why cant IB make the sole or at least one that looks better and can be made into a lancer sole?  

On a personal note, it was great to give the Scout a run out this weekend and I can't wait to get my suit through the UKG clearance and join the ranks of the Pathfinders.  ~ we look forward to seeing you asking for full access over here

 I am really looking forward to getting the rest of these Scouts finished up so shipping to start asap..  ~ yeah, make it happen ... i was going to bug andrea soon over there on facebook, december has long passed, lol.  cant wait to get another bbb from you all 


again, thanks for working with all of us!

1 of my helmets visor to helmet even reveal


screen used helmet with even reveal


top if cummerbund being hidden by side strap

[RS Prop Masters]

OK, the huge sticking point here is basically the boots, they are what they are.

The pouches and cummerbund I do see being an issue for a taller Scout if the pouches are set at a certain size, the armour is a set size so the belt is left as the only variable?

The tank stripes are not an issue, we will just make up the correct sizes (length and height) for each option. 

Blaster is our sculpt and found part scope detail to scale. The holster also helps us to scale. 

The current CRL, or at least the one I see on the site states optional, see image below. But it's not hard to correct. You just seem to be pushing the point. All the elastics will meet the highest option on the CRL, it's no more difficult to add the correct as it is to do them wrong. It's just research we need to check correctly. 

The helmet gap is demonstrated on the image you posted, (reposted below) the right hand side (as you look at it) does not fit as well as the opposite side. That I believe is a studio quirk.  


~ the cod piece arch/curved detail looks abit to rounded -- this looks like the gino scout detail. I will look at this again, it is straight until the centre then curves at the centre.  ~ right, its not an arch with a huge radius ... its a very slight curve.  We totally agree on this, as too the placement. 

 

Thanks for the feedback. Aside from the boots I don't see any issues moving forward that will prevent the Scout being Lancer out of the box. This leaves the current boot makers to continue supplying as they do and the IB boots to be placeholders for people working to Lancer. I personally prefer these quality made boots to be my preferred choice until I obtain found part boots.  ~ good luck finding the correct inter sneaker .. every other scout i know is searching for them ... have you all thought about having someone recreate the sole?  why cant IB make the sole or at least one that looks better and can be made into a lancer sole?  I can lay my hands on the sneakers tomorrow to create a mould of them. IB would have to invest a huge amount of cash to get the sole made. We are talking 1000's of soles. The price of the boots would be totally impractical. The boots are just a no go. Its something that will have to continue to be made as it is by the fans who want to cut the sole etc. Lets forget the boots as part of this. 

On a personal note, it was great to give the Scout a run out this weekend and I can't wait to get my suit through the UKG clearance and join the ranks of the Pathfinders.  ~ we look forward to seeing you asking for full access over here  Thanks. 

 I am really looking forward to getting the rest of these Scouts finished up so shipping to start asap..  ~ yeah, make it happen ... i was going to bug andrea soon over there on facebook, december has long passed, lol.  cant wait to get another bbb from you all  


again, thanks for working with all of us! You are more than welcome. 

 

Rob.