Imperial Boots Biker Scout Soft Parts

[Whiskey]

EDIT.

 

They have updated their website with new images.  

 

Noting:

They now offer the bund (which looks to be the correct size)

The Pouches are separate.  It offers the end user to adjust to their preference. Although I know they should be 1” to the outer most ribbed stitching, but this also allows them to give them a tea bath for those who want to alter the color. 

 

 

[Whiskey]

Also..it appears my flightsuit is shipping on Monday. 

That was really quick. 

[Aliaz]

Also..it appears my flightsuit is shipping on Monday. 
That was really quick. 

Will be interesting to see.


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[Whiskey]

My jumpsuit just arrived.  

 

Keep in mind, I only purchased the jumpsuit alone due to the fact that my measurements were slightly above the x-large by an inch or two.  So this was a gamble  

I wanted to wait on the cummerbund For 2 reasons:

1) make sure I fit the jumpsuit

2) the revised images was not updated until recently. 

 

That being said...it fits with little wiggle room and not constricting.

So...i’m happy about that. 

The jumpsuit...

Made of 100% cotton (except for the suede of course). Makes it much lighter than the redcap coveralls. Durable stitching.  

 

The mandarin collar..

It doesn’t have a large overlap.  Which is great if you’re going with a neck seal. I most likely will use one. 

The main zipper is hidden subtlety with a flap

 

The riding patch...

Clean stitching. Comes down to the knee  

 

 

The butt flap...

Double layered suede adds weight to it. Attached from the inside.  

No visible stitching.

 

 

Trying it with my sc belt and Cheesewhoopy Bund and Cod. Still going to purchase the vest, bund, and cod from IB to review.  

Gonna be interesting how their bund holds up.  For the record, I love my cheesewhoopy bund and pouches and how they have a thickness to them and makes them more ridged.  We’ll see😉

 

 

The only modifications  I plan on doing to the jumpsuit is removing the elastic band and replacing it with cotton 2” vintage strapping and adding stirrups to the feet to keep the legs from riding up  

 

 

One thing I didn’t realize is there isn’t suede on the back of the thigh.

can anyone confirm there is or isn’t suede there?  Does the patch end at the seam?

I cant see the color difference from the suede from the M&M photos.  

 

 

Overall. I like it and would recommend. 

[Chopper]

That's great. Thank you again, Whiskey, for your willingness to  take the leap of faith on the IB coveralls. I'm really glad to see that they turned out well.

From the references I've seen, including the ones you posted, there is some suede on the back -- just not a whole lot. It definitely doesn't have a large patch, like we have on the front of the coveralls.

I took the scout capture photo, blasted the contrast, and highlighted the patches to better show where they are in the original photo.

[BikerScout007]

See if these help

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rwcdd1uPViPJDGyE9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CaHVLDYdesKqmZZk6

 

[Whiskey]

Those are images from Gino’s scout, correct?

 

As I understand it, he obtained the pattern from the props. 

[BikerScout007]

14 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

Those are images from Gino’s scout, correct?

 

As I understand it, he obtained the pattern from the props. 

Correct on both counts

[Whiskey]

Anyone have a hi-res image of this?

 

https://goo.gl/images/Qk6m85

 

trying to get a good look at the pattern 

[762s]

@Whiskey i wonder if you have the first set of soft parts?  a reason for the missing suede !??!?!

RS says they made some changes ... i wonder if this was one of them?

have you tried to contact IB or RS and see if this what they intended?

we know there is suede on the back of the thighs but, the crl clearly misses that point .. both basic and level 2.   
so, anyone concerned about this, there is no need to be.  

[BikerScout007]

32 minutes ago, 762s said:

we know there is suede on the back of the thighs but, the crl clearly misses that point .. both basic and level 2.   
so, anyone concerned about this, there is no need to be.  

Not exactly.  The thigh patches must generally match the images provided in the CRL.   We can't provide exact dimensions for the thigh patches because 1) they arent known and 2) they would vary greatly from trooper to trooper. 

As all 501st CRLs state: 

• This document is not intended to be a detailed how-to on costume construction; rather a visual guide to be used for 501st costume approval. Details on construction may be found on the respective costume detachment web forum.

Also its not mandatory for the thigh patches to be done in two separate pieces -- one for either side of the seam.  Before this detail became known only a few years ago, it was common practice to do the thigh patch as one piece. 

But regardless, it's not that the patch is on the front or back of the thighs, it's that the thigh patch runs down the inside of the thigh and should be wide enough that it can be seen from the front and somewhat from the back, though not as far.  Gino's scout illustrates this really well. 

Hope that clears it up.

[Whiskey]

Too o bad there isn’t one clear picture 

 

 

[Whiskey]

11 hours ago, Chopper said:

That's great. Thank you again, Whiskey, for your willingness to  take the leap of faith on the IB coveralls. I'm really glad to see that they turned out well.

From the references I've seen, including the ones you posted, there is some suede on the back -- just not a whole lot. It definitely doesn't have a large patch, like we have on the front of the coveralls.

I took the scout capture photo, blasted the contrast, and highlighted the patches to better show where they are in the original photo.

Is it at all possible that the suede we see is actually the front being pulled back?

 

Look at how tight the straps are and look at the large amount of material folding upwards of the flightsuit. 

[Chopper]

It's extremely difficult to confirm, short of one of us actually inspecting one of the suits. The best we've had to go off of is Gino's Scout, who based his build on the original suit.

I've looked through what I've got and this is the best rear side image I can find.

[BikerScout007]

I think imitating Gino's is a great way to go. I've tried to do this with my own Scout.  My undersuit mods thread shows pics of how my patches were done

 

[Whiskey]

Awesome!!

Wow that’s a small patch of suede. 

Compared to the 2” strapping, it looks almost 2-1/2 to 3 times the height. Would make it about 5” to 6” high and less than a quarter in diameter of the thigh  

 

Thanks Chooper!

[cheesewhoopy]

Flight suit looks pretty good overall! Seems to be constuected really well. Nice cummerbund  

[Whiskey]

While I agree there should be a patch(no matter how small), I’m going to hold off installing one for now

 

No point of ruining a good suit for something you can hardly see that much anyways. Unless someone stares behind me and looking between my thighs (yikes). With my luck, I’d add one on and a few days later, the correct patter emerges. Ha ha

[BikerScout007]

2 hours ago, Whiskey said:

While I agree there should be a patch(no matter how small), I’m going to hold off installing one for now

 

No point of ruining a good suit for something you can hardly see that much anyways. Unless someone stares behind me and looking between my thighs (yikes). With my luck, I’d add one on and a few days later, the correct patter emerges. Ha ha

I can't really tell from your photos because they are quite dark.  Are you saying that the riding patch on the suit stops at the inside seam?  Because yes, that would be wrong.   

[CatfoodRob]

Great revue of the flightsuit ! 

So I'll add the shoulder cover piece . Also from imperial this week . 

This is made from nice quality feeling cotton , the main piece is double thickness, and the arms and shoulder ribs seem to be padded . 

This is it from the front .

Notice it has a piece of Velcro sewn onto the lower edge... handy for later attachments . 

[CatfoodRob]

At the rear there is a covered Velcro split right up the centre , but for some reason the software isn't allowing me to upload another photo . 

[CatfoodRob]

Ok, here we go ...the rear , I've opened the Velcro at the top to show it . 

I also have the same flightsuit , and am also unsure about adding extra suede to the top of the legs. 

If it's not in the CRL , and the only actual proof of its existence is genos suit , and as it's mainly invisible, I'll wait for now .

but to cover the odds I may go and hunt a piece of suede to keep in reserve for later sewing machine action . 

As to the thigh elastic , I'm also considering replacing it , but as the actual stuff has never been identified , we have to ask the question ...what is more incorrect ...elastic or the wrong webbing ??? 

 

[Chopper]

Question -- do the arms have ribbed padding on the IB flak vest?  While the ribbed shoulder padding is quite clear, it's hard to see it on the sleeves.

[Whiskey]

On 2/2/2019 at 1:46 PM, BikerScout007 said:

I can't really tell from your photos because they are quite dark.  Are you saying that the riding patch on the suit stops at the inside seam?  Because yes, that would be wrong.   

That’s correct. 

 

Like catfoodrob confirms, there is no suede.  I did however get an image that I had the color filter an contras(like chopper did) on a screen shot to give a pretty good approximation on the patter.  There’s a brief moment you see the inside of the leg when Han taps the scout on the shoulder and begins to chase after him. 

[BikerScout007]

Alright let's just clear a few things up.

The riding patch has been part of the CRL for years.  Long before Gino made his Scout.   The reason why we point to Gino's scout as being a good example as to how to do the riding patch is because he had access to the original patterns when he was building it.  

But there is no question that there are riding patches on the flight suit.  As it says in "Stormtroopers: Beyond the Armor" (which is a great book I highly recommend) "Costumers added dyed suede patches to the thighs and a leather panel to cover the seat of the trousers." (p. 56)

Consider what a riding patch is.  They come from the equestrian world and are there to give added protection to the inside of the rider's legs; the part that rubs up against the saddle.  It's not a question of whether there are patches on the front or back of the thigh.   The patch is on the INSIDE of the thigh.  Because that's the area that needs protection.  To the extent you can see it from the front or back comes from how wide the patch is.  It just turns out, it's a lot easier to make a riding patch for the thigh from two segments of suede rather than just one.  

The inside of my thigh is 7 inches wide, so I'd need a patch at least that wide.  Your mileage may vary which is what makes it tough to hand down a hard and fast pattern that suits everyone.

Also, we are trying to connect dots that are 36 years old at this point.   The Scout is one of the biggest mysteries in the Star Wars canon because a complete one has never fallen into collector's hands.  So we know less about it than some of the other costumes.  The accumulated knowledge here at this Detachment comes from years and years and years of studying photos and stills.  When Gino came along with his model Scout about 5 years ago, he helped fill in more gaps.  

But if you all are saying that the IB suit doesn't have a riding patch or it is somehow inadequate, then yes, it would need to be modified to meet the CRL standards.  It would really help to see a clear photo of their patches so we could give some guidance.  Remember guys, they came to the Pathfinders to learn how to do the soft goods.  They don't have have any secret knowledge.  

Here are some photos that I think illustrate very well how wide the thigh patches are, from both the front and back.  

On this one above, you can definitively see the seams of the thigh patches from the back of the Scout.  It's very easy to tell where the thigh strap (especially on the left leg) begins to go under the patch from the rear.

Here is one from an angle for good measure.  You can clearly see that the thigh patch covers the entire inside of the thigh, not just to the mid-seam

I hope this helps.  We really want to get a good result here for all of you.  I would love to be able to say IB's soft goods meet CRL standards out the gate, but so far it seems they still need some work.