Back Armor Greeblie Vents - to cutout or not?

[ST-50421]

Hello,

My ST back armor greeblie vents are currently not cutout and are painted black.  I noticed that the CRL states that the vent details may be cut out and backed with black foam.  I can't seem to find any threads that talk about cutting these out - was wondering if anyone had done so with their armor and what were the results?  I have Jimmi's fiberglass armor, and while the idea of trimming out the vents sounds cool, was worried that the thinness of the slats may lead to more problems than it's worth?

Thx,

Leonard

ST-50421

[TK8271 Rogue Trooper]

It can be backed and blacked out.

For sharpness mine was cutout painted and then backed with black ABS and not foam.

 

 

 

* Edit *

 

See below post I forgot that I removed my abs backing as per the CE photos with no backing but within a box.

 

 

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[mr paul]

The screen used are cut out but they are not backed with anything. They should be open.

[TK8271 Rogue Trooper]

Yes Paul is correct to be complete screen accurate and I remembered I took my backing out after putting it on so it matched the CE photo, but it’s still backed within a box, so I am bad

 

This is a great angle from CE display

 

 

 

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[TK8271 Rogue Trooper]

Just looking back through the notes when the CRL was written, the reason backed is in the CRL on the vents was to ensure the vents did not go right through were you could see the undershirt.

Maybe the wording can be looked at.






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[mr paul]

1 hour ago, TK8271 Rogue Trooper said:

Just looking back through the notes when the CRL was written, the reason backed is in the CRL on the vents was to ensure the vents did not go right through were you could see the undershirt.

Maybe the wording can be looked at.






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As the vents are see through it would be screen accurate for the undershirt to be seen through the vents and that should not be considered a bad thing. Not that it would be an issue as it would be too dark to see anything anyway. It should definitely not be blocked off for such a reason. That seems more an aesthetic decision based on an assumption rather than one based on actual reference images. It may aid with airflow as well.

[TK8271 Rogue Trooper]

As the vents are see through it would be screen accurate for the undershirt to be seen through the vents and that should not be considered a bad thing. Not that it would be an issue as it would be too dark to see anything anyway. It should definitely not be blocked off for such a reason. That seems more an aesthetic decision based on an assumption rather than one based on actual reference images. It may aid with airflow as well.

 The vents do not look like they go all the way through were you can see the undershirt. The photo above from CE looks like the vents are enclosed at the back with something but that does not look like the shirt at the back IMO although the photo is not great.  Plus what may look like a shirt with vertical ribs maybe something else as the shirt does not have vertical ribs.

 

 

 

Because we know what they wore under the armour, as seen below the under suit has horizontal ribs.

 

 

Again we can see horizontal ribs on the back of the under suit

 

 

There is something at the back but I do not believe it’s the shirt due to the ribs.

 

On somethings we are still as you say assuming but we are always open to suggestions with solid evidence, once we have that then most definitely CRL’s can be amended.

 

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[mr paul]

Yeah unfortunately that photo is not clear enough to obtain any confirmation. I can't remember if there was a leaked picture of the the back of the undershirt so could not guarantee it is ribbed like the front. There are panels on the front of the shirt that are flat fabric so similar thing could occur on the back seeing as it is out of site?  I have seen the inside of the back armour and the rear of the back boxes/vents and there is nothing there. I can't provide those images as they are not mine to share. I don't expect you to alter any CRL's based on that as you like to see evidence for yourself however I would not advise anyone to block them off. 

[TK8271 Rogue Trooper]

Yeah unfortunately that photo is not clear enough to obtain any confirmation. I can't remember if there was a leaked picture of the the back of the undershirt so could not guarantee it is ribbed like the front. There are panels on the front of the shirt that are flat fabric so similar thing could occur on the back seeing as it is out of site?  I have seen the inside of the back armour and the rear of the back boxes/vents and there is nothing there. I can't provide those images as they are not mine to share. I don't expect you to alter any CRL's based on that as you like to see evidence for yourself however I would not advise anyone to block them off. 

 

I don’t know what you have seen nor can I deny or call you out on what you have seen or been shown, that would never be my intention.

 

However on the flip side I also have pictures that I have been asked not to show and I have and will keep to my word on that until told otherwise and those pictures IMO may not show what you suggest.

 

At the same time when I could I did release pictures to get where we are now with parts that were not shown which have been proven to be correct.

 

Like I said we are always open to change to make sure we provide the correct information to our members. When that information clashes and can only be based on assumption , then we must go with the evidence or lack off at the time and make a decision.

 

Which is like I said we are open to change considering it took 10-15 years for us to nail down the correct method of the original Stormtrooper. The ST is still in its infancy and I have no doubt over time we will learn more without the secrecy of we can’t share photos , simply because they will be realised officially.

 

 

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[mr paul]

It's clear on the pics I have so I'll stick to those for now. Unless a 3rd part is inserted between the back box and the undershirt but I have certainly no evidence of that.  The back boxes are completely see though via the vents. Others can follow if they wish  

I do not recall seeing many behind the scenes images of the ST being released by anyone aside from an image of the undershirt and the breeches. I think most of the legwork has been done by the many builders in the various groups discussing back and forth with the many reference images available and others seeking further confirmation from behind the scenes sources and once again not too many images have surfaced to back those up either.

Myself and my team have been in contact with numerable sources over the last 12 months and industry insiders and I will be revealing some cool secrets about he Shoretrooper and it's internal rigging over the coming months as I assemble and continue my online build of our new Shoretrooper kit. It will not be backed up by images as that would not be appropriate but the kit will shed some light on the Shoretrooper after 2 years of not much correct information being made available. Especially regarding the less visible components and assembly.

Exciting times ahead for the Shoretrooper. If the restrictions of the CRL inhibits builders from using the kit it would be a shame however that is not my concern as ultimately the project is to recreate a screen accurate Shoretrooper costume based on the evidence we have been supported with to date. And we have done just that.

Over time more info will be released and that will always be welcome and the kit will be updated. There are still some areas that we have had to let slide because of not enough information but it will always be a work in progress until we know better. I will be open and honest about this as the build unfolds. Any Shoretrooper fan worth his salt is going to really dig this new kit (although it may not suit everyone due to body size and the fact it is 3d printed etc so each to their own) and I will be happy to answer any questions where I can in the assistance of the build or reasons as to why the costume crew made things in certain ways and even the issues they faced in fitting the costumes to the actors. Very interesting stuff.

[TK8271 Rogue Trooper]

Oh 100% there are a lot of interesting different facts and evidence that appear and still a lot to come out. Like yourself having spoke to designers and guys that wore the kit there are some interesting and strange ideas that went into wearing it. Even with how they wore the R1 Stormtrooper they completely changed the rig on how they wore that compared to the original in some areas.

I also found that speaking to the guys who wore it, they had different recollections on how things where done, but I suppose with the passage of time somethings can become muddled, it’s just the case of joining the dots.

 

Like most costumes it’s defo a working progress and through time we no doubt will nail down 99% of it , if not all. I don’t think we are to far off as the reference pictures we get these days are fantastic and some of the behind the scenes pictures again show so much , fingers crossed more of those more revealing pictures will come out ether leaked or official.

 

 

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[ST-50421]

Thanks for the great discussion and pics!  Much appreciated!!!  Assuming I have time over the holiday break, will go ahead and cut out my vents.  Thanks again!