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1 hour ago, NegativeEleven said:

Also, has "pouches affixed to bund" always been in there? The one Han throws against a tree clearly has pouches attached simply at the top cause they flop all the way up.

Where does it say that?  I can only see

Pouches have appearance of being affixed to the bund as per the originals

Key word for me is "appearance"

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18 hours ago, NegativeEleven said:

Also, has "pouches affixed to bund" always been in there? The one Han throws against a tree clearly has pouches attached simply at the top cause they flop all the way up.

In the film, the pouches were sewn to the bund via the attachment tab. So the rest of the pouch would swing out.  For level 2, we ask people to replicate this look.  So in other words, if you choose to attach the pouches to your armor, it still must APPEAR like the pouches are attached to the bund by the attachment tabs.  Yes you don't sew the entire pouch to the bund.  That would be wrong. 

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17 hours ago, CatfoodRob said:

I also believe there were no tan coloured shoulder bridge webs , only white .

i see mention of the bicep t piece greeblie, but haven't been able to find photos of the left bicep one anywhere , are we sure they are handed ? 

Do we have access to accurate screen caps of the main greeblies on the armour ? 

Yes I know I'm new here, but I'm also a screen accurate fan . 

It's optional and you can do it the way you want. 

The "two circles facing forward on each arm" has been a part of this CRL long before I was a Scout.  The Detachment sets its own standards for Level 2 and they don't necessarily have to comport with what was on screen.  There were a lot of mistakes, wardrobe errors and other anomalies in the movie that are technically "screen accurate" but arent the best representation of the costume. 

The t-bit greeblies that come with Scout kits have the two circles on opposite sides from each other.  All that we ask is that when taking your Lancer app pics, you face the circles forward.  If after that you wish to wear them the other way, that is totally up to you.  This is a fit and finish issue more than an accuracy one. 

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4 hours ago, CatfoodRob said:

Cheers Mickey , we'll cross bridges when we get there . Whatever, I'll,follow the crl . All the best . 

I look forward to your Lancer app!  We always want to grow the ranks

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After having them down for a few months, I got the MoM pics back up. While glancing through them, I noticed the shoulder bridges on the display Scout were indeed off white. 

Now was this because it was dyed off-white or the original material was off-white or the aging process?  I can't say for sure.  But I know that this is enough for me to leave the option available for those that wish to do it.  

You can still leave this white and tea stain the other parts for Lancer and that is acceptable as well. 

Or be like me and leave it all white and shiny :)

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OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

  • Undersuit is tailored to the wearer.
  • Elastic thigh straps measure 2 inches wide (50mm).
  • Thigh patches are real suede.
  • Butt patch is real suede and resembles those seen on screen; size will adjust slightly from scout to scout, but correct scale must be noted; no external visible stitching.

 

In regards to the "No visible external  stitching" on the but patch ie saddle section, are you saying to glue the stuff on or to use a tread that matches so that it doesn't appear to be a decorative stitching say in a color that doesn't match?

Also as to real suede does that eliminate people who refuse to wear animal products and opt for a synthetic suede?

 

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38 minutes ago, Ladyghost4459 said:

 

In regards to the "No visible external  stitching" on the but patch ie saddle section, are you saying to glue the stuff on or to use a tread that matches so that it doesn't appear to be a decorative stitching say in a color that doesn't match?

Also as to real suede does that eliminate people who refuse to wear animal products and opt for a synthetic suede?

 

Hey Denise!

Some folks were making their butt patches really neat and sewing a hem around the entire thing.  That's what we are talking about.   You can absolutely sew it to the flight suit without worry, because that seam is covered by the cummerbund (ie, not visible!)

As for the animal products issue, if you refuse to wear them please bring that up when you make your Lancer application and the Lancer review team will discuss.  The biggest issue is that the synthetic products just look really cheap compared to what was used with the real suits.    

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Hi

im also in the process of upgrading my kit - original jumpsuit has seen its day. One thing confuses me about the CRL (which I like and have agreed with previous requests for clarity)...so here’s mine. 

A raglin sleeve is one where the seam runs from the armpit across the collar bone to the collar (front and back)...like a baseball style t-shirt. However, the CRL pic of the vest is a standard sleeve. 

I know there was great debate about which was used in the film, and I’m happy to go with a raglin sleeve, but think the pic should be of a raglin sleeved vest. 

Thoughts?

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25 minutes ago, chimei said:

Hi

im also in the process of upgrading my kit - original jumpsuit has seen its day. One thing confuses me about the CRL (which I like and have agreed with previous requests for clarity)...so here’s mine. 

A raglin sleeve is one where the seam runs from the armpit across the collar bone to the collar (front and back)...like a baseball style t-shirt. However, the CRL pic of the vest is a standard sleeve. 

I know there was great debate about which was used in the film, and I’m happy to go with a raglin sleeve, but think the pic should be of a raglin sleeved vest. 

Thoughts?

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We could probably use a better picture, for sure, but it's still a raglan sleeve.   A standard sleeve connects at the shoulder, which that vest does not.  And a scout vest that had the sleeve connect at the shoulder wouldn't look right, as the pics we have show the sleeve padding going past the shoulder area.  

But you're right, we could use a better pic.  We have upgraded the armor pics over the years, but some of the soft goods pictures are still the same.  I just had someone hit me up yesterday about the flight suit pic.   We just have an Avirex flight suit posted with no mods!   So now is a good time to change some of those up!

Thanks for pointing that out

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Hey guys I have a question. I'm wrapping up my build and am trying to follow Lancer specs. I was always under the impression that the zip tie attachment at the shoulder bells was optional, even for Lancer. It looks like that language has been taken out and it is now a mandatory requirement for Lancers. Can you please confirm this?

Thank you!

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1 hour ago, Barber said:

Hey guys I have a question. I'm wrapping up my build and am trying to follow Lancer specs. I was always under the impression that the zip tie attachment at the shoulder bells was optional, even for Lancer. It looks like that language has been taken out and it is now a mandatory requirement for Lancers. Can you please confirm this?

Thank you!

That's correct it is mandatory for Lancers now.  But let me just explain what this means and what an incredibly low bar it is:

  • Shoulder bells have appearance of being affixed to shoulder joins using black zip ties.

"HAVE APPEARANCE" is key.   We aren't checking to see if the bells are actually connected to the join using a ziptie.  We are checking to see if it LOOKS that way.  So as long as there a visible strip of zip tie in that gap between your bell and your shoulder join, you have satisfied Lancer requirements.   

But, it's real easy to do, works great and looks screen accurate, so why not give it a shot?
 

 

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1 hour ago, Barber said:

Hey guys I have a question. I'm wrapping up my build and am trying to follow Lancer specs. I was always under the impression that the zip tie attachment at the shoulder bells was optional, even for Lancer. It looks like that language has been taken out and it is now a mandatory requirement for Lancers. Can you please confirm this?

Thank you!

It's super easy and takes less than 10 minutes to do both shoulders.

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Thank you guys! That's a great tutorial. I'll definitely be giving it a shot.

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Just now, Barber said:

Thank you guys! That's a great tutorial. I'll definitely be giving it a shot.

It works great and looks good, go for it!

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On 10/11/2018 at 4:06 PM, BikerScout007 said:

Hey Denise!

Some folks were making their butt patches really neat and sewing a hem around the entire thing.  That's what we are talking about.   You can absolutely sew it to the flight suit without worry, because that seam is covered by the cummerbund (ie, not visible!)

As for the animal products issue, if you refuse to wear them please bring that up when you make your Lancer application and the Lancer review team will discuss.  The biggest issue is that the synthetic products just look really cheap compared to what was used with the real suits.    

"Cheap" or inaccurate.  The 10 Foot rule has always allowed for fabric substitutions as well as materials choices availability in one's area.  The screen used costumes had things that were "rigged" because of physical limitations.  Stitching visibility under normal conditions, (Not under a magnifying glass or microscope) also is a non issue.  Are you going for better looking or exclusive? 

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15 minutes ago, Ladyghost4459 said:

"Cheap" or inaccurate.  The 10 Foot rule has always allowed for fabric substitutions as well as materials choices availability in one's area.  The screen used costumes had things that were "rigged" because of physical limitations.  Stitching visibility under normal conditions, (Not under a magnifying glass or microscope) also is a non issue.  Are you going for better looking or exclusive? 

The "10 foot rule" is a new one for me, but I'm not a GML.   Like I said, if you are swapping out the fabric because of personal beliefs, please let us know when submitting for Lancer and we will take it into consideration.   The most important thing is that it looks similar to what is on screen.  So the cheapest faux suede out there is probably not going to do the trick.   But I'm sure you know your way around fabrics judging by your sig, so I have no doubt you will pick something that looks appropriate.  

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On 10/12/2018 at 6:23 AM, Ladyghost4459 said:

 

In regards to the "No visible external  stitching" on the but patch ie saddle section, are you saying to glue the stuff on or to use a tread that matches so that it doesn't appear to be a decorative stitching say in a color that doesn't match?

Also as to real suede does that eliminate people who refuse to wear animal products and opt for a synthetic suede?

 

Hi Denise, there is a sew line around the leg patch, I think they are referring to is when using the synthetic suede you need to double sew it (no fraying)  so if you iron or fold it under only having to sew once. 

The butt flap can also have no sew lines when its synthetic  leather, sewing the shape then turning it inside out, sew it together at the top of the pants.

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I'm making my scout from scratch. And have 3D printed my Armour. My question is about the belt & pouches. Does the belt need to be thinner i.e. height wise than the plastic pouches as I've seen belts level with the plastic pouches and pic's were the belt is thinner

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1 hour ago, Azirithdorr said:

Hey all,

Is anyone else unable to download the PDF of the CRL from the website on the first page? I'm getting a 'No such action' error.

Does anyone have a copy of the PDF?

 

Thanks for reading!

There is some retooling going on with the 501st page and a couple of features are down.  I will reach out to the LWMs and see if there's a timeline on that.  

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1 hour ago, Azirithdorr said:

Hey all,

Is anyone else unable to download the PDF of the CRL from the website on the first page? I'm getting a 'No such action' error.

Does anyone have a copy of the PDF?

 

Thanks for reading!

Hey, I uploaded the copy I have in my google drive. (downloaded it last month).  

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-BNBzV0EZtnGV4GlneB6cwK-4h_B030O

should work for now :) 

 

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21 minutes ago, SeaWaffles said:

Hey, I uploaded the copy I have in my google drive. (downloaded it last month).  

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-BNBzV0EZtnGV4GlneB6cwK-4h_B030O

should work for now :) 

 

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I'm making my scout from scratch. And have 3D printed my Armour. My question is about the belt & pouches. Does the belt need to be thinner i.e. height wise than the plastic pouches as I've seen belts level with the plastic pouches and pic's were the belt is thinner

Hi, your question got lost in the discussion about the crl files going missing .

The belt should be made from two inch wide nylon/synthetic webbing ( not cotton) . The width isn't specified in the crl , or if it is I missed it . In fact I'm not sure if the material,is mentioned or not .

But to be screen accurate , which is what you want I'm sure , two inch is the number . 6b2527ad0692014374d61834b3a078ec.jpg

 

 

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