BARC Costume Guidelines

[Army Scout]

I need to get some BARC standards t the powers that be before Friday. Please take a look at these and see if I am missing anything!!!

 

BARC Trooper Basic Costume Requirements

 

1. Hard Armor - Includes helmet (with decals), chest and back (with tank detail), shoulder bells (2), bicep (2), elbow (2), knees (2), shin (2) and boot spats (2).

1.1. Bikerscout Armor can NOT be used as BARC armor

1.2. All hard armor must be painted in a screen camo pattern

1.3. Biceps pieces must have resin pieces

1.4. Tank must have tank detail

1.5. Shin armor must have 2 straps

1.6. Boots must have boot spat on top

 

2. Undersuit (Soft armor)

2.1. Forest Camo pattern

2.2. Dark grey crotch pad

2.3. Olive green cummerbund w/ 12 pouches and groin protector (Camo)

2.4 Cloth drop boxes (Camo)

3. Gloves

3.1 Black, Mid Forearm length gauntlets with rubber inserts

 

4. Boots

4.1. Soles of the boots must resemble screen used. (Jango Boots, Kenneth Coles or something that looks close)

4.2. Boots must be white with tan soles

 

5. Weapons (Optional)

5.1 DC15 Long or short Barreled

 

 

Chris

[Ghst915]

I need to get some BARC standards t the powers that be befor Friday. Please take a look at these and see if I am missing anything!!!

 

BARC Trooper Basic Costume Requirements

 

1. Hard Armor – Includes helmet (with decals), chest and back (with tank detail), shoulder bells (2), bicep (2), elbow (2), crotch, drop boxes (2), knees (2), shin (2) and boot spats (2).

1.1. All hard armor must be painted in a screen camo pattern

1.2. Biceps pieces must have resin pieces

1.3. Tank must have tank detail

1.4. Shin armor must have 2 straps

1.5. Boots must have boot spat on top

 

2. Undersuit (Soft armor)

2.1. Forest Camo pattern

2.2. Dark grey crotch pad

2.3. Olive green cummerbund w/ 12 pouches (Camo’ed)

 

3. Gloves

3.1 Black, Mid Forearm length gauntlets with rubber inserts

 

4. Boots

4.1. Soles of the boots must resemble screen used. (Jango Boots or Kenneth Coles)

4.2. Boots must be white with tan soles

 

5. Weapons

5.1 DC15 Long or short Barreled

Chris

 

 

Chris I think you should say that the armor can not be camo biker scout armor too. As a few have tryed and done this already, it looks nothing like the BARC should look like. Mike should jump in here and give his words of wisdom on this costume as well. Seeing he is the only one working on the armor right now and setting the standard for this costume.

[DaVe]

1. Hard Armor – Includes helmet (with decals), chest and back (with tank detail), shoulder bells (2), bicep (2), elbow (2), crotch, drop boxes (2), knees (2), shin (2) and boot spats (2).

I'm not sure the drop boxes are hard parts. I think the boxes are soft / cloth based with a hard liner to provide form.

3. Gloves

3.1 Black, Mid Forearm length gauntlets with rubber inserts

I think you should add something about the silver / gray wrist strap and brown knuckle pads

4. Boots

4.1. Soles of the boots must resemble screen used. (Jango Boots or Kenneth Coles)

4.2. Boots must be white with tan soles

I think the boots are tan (not white). The two choices of boot suppliers might be a little limiting on boot choices. How about state, Tan treaded sole with flared up mid section similar to what is seen in ROTS.

 

I also agree with Ross... NO CAMO BIKER SCOUT ARMOR!!! This should be #1 and by itself.

 

Don't forget the Bicep greebles...

[Army Scout]

I'm not sure the drop boxes are hard parts. I think the boxes are soft / cloth based with a hard liner to provide form.

 

I think you should add something about the silver / gray wrist strap and brown knuckle pads

 

I think the boots are tan (not white). The two choices of boot suppliers might be a little limiting on boot choices. How about state, Tan treaded sole with flared up mid section similar to what is seen in ROTS.

 

I also agree with Ross... NO CAMO BIKER SCOUT ARMOR!!! This should be #1 and by itself.

 

Don't forget the Bicep greebles...

 

I think the drop boxes are like Scout boxes, hard. Lets figure this out asap!

 

As for the boots, the screen caps show white with tan soles.

 

Chris

[DaVe]

I think the drop boxes are like Scout boxes, hard. Lets figure this out asap!

 

As for the boots, the screen caps show white with tan soles.

 

Chris

 

These two pictures look like the base boots are tan... Just my take, still open to debate...

 

 

This picture is probably the best view of the belt boxes. I think they look cloth with a hard liner. The texture looks like a canvus material to me... Again, just my take, still open to debate...

[TB-7076]

As in the other thread I have to agree on soft part drop boxes. It's just that the CGI meshes can be misleading as not modelled detailed enough (wrinkles etc).

[Ghst915]

As in the other thread I have to agree on soft part drop boxes. It's just that the CGI meshes can be misleading as not modelled detailed enough (wrinkles etc).

 

I know Ladyghst and I are planning on making all of the pouches and drop boxes out of a canvas with heavy strach to make them stiff to hold they're shape.

[Acrylikhan]

1.2. All hard armor must be painted in a screen camo pattern

 

I've seen two illustrations of the BARC... at least from the chest up in white. Will pre-camo be acceptable?

 

 

Ghst...

 

Let me check with my nephew in the army. Some of the pouches on the back look like pouches he uses on his gear.

 

-fk

[Army Scout]

1.2. All hard armor must be painted in a screen camo pattern

 

I've seen two illustrations of the BARC... at least from the chest up in white. Will pre-camo be acceptable?

Ghst...

 

Let me check with my nephew in the army. Some of the pouches on the back look like pouches he uses on his gear.

 

-fk

 

For 501st canon the suit would have to be Camo. The plain white armor was not seen on screen and I have only seen one image.

 

Chris

[Sentinel]

I know this is kinda off topic, but would my completed helmet be acceptable? The pics are in the helmet forum. Thanks,

 

Phillip

[Acrylikhan]

For 501st canon the suit would have to be Camo. The plain white armor was not seen on screen...

 

Ah! I see. Gotcha.

 

-fk

[pghfett]

I know this is kinda off topic, but would my completed helmet be acceptable? The pics are in the helmet forum. Thanks,

 

Phillip

 

 

Phillip,

I think your helmet looks great ! These "camo paint jobs" are not easy to do and are VERY time consuming even if you rattle can or airbrush the camo paint job. The only other helmet I've painted that compared to this is the ESB Fett.

Once again, great job Phil - and thanks for the visor info as well - much appreciated!

 

 

 

Off Topic opinion

I'm hoping at some point in the future to provide some templates to help folks out who like my paint job and want to brush it on.

 

An important factor with this camo was brought up by the great Madphisto and myself that the camo paint job reflects the artist who paints it - it's a distinct style - Basically, if you start painting your armor yourself paint everything yourself or it will not look right.

 

i.e. If you paint your helmet, don't send out your armor to be painted by another artist or it will not turn out right.

 

~Mike

[TB-7076]

@ Sentinel (you stole my name )

 

I don't know if it was a good idea to restrict the camo scheme too much.

However I personally think the pattern you use for your helmet looks a bit off -

not like bad, but more like woodland camo we know from the US army for example.

The Barc uses different colours and more natural shapes.

In the high res renders you see that the camo shows traces of brushes.

A mixture of pea dot and swamp camo as we know it from WWII era

german camo schemes but not exactly matching one in particular as another

board member claimed in an earlier discussion. It's a crossover pattern adapting

several schemes.

[TB-1019]

This is very tricky ground you guys have to cover. Without there being a real-life pattern with which to follow, maintaining a standard will be extremely difficult. I hope you don't mind a few suggestions from this outsider... perhaps a fresh perspective might be helpful.

 

I think probably the first thing you all need to do is to settle on a collection of paint colors and manufacturers. You'd have to have equivalents for our UK and EU scouts, of course. If you could determine the Pantone colors, that would be ideal. This list will have to be updated from time to time because paint manufacturers discontinue paint colors regularly.

 

The next step is to devise a standard practice for actually applying the paint in the proper camouflage pattern and make it available as a detailed tutorial with pictures, then set the standards up to state that using the agreed-upon paint colors above and the camo pattern made using this tutorial (in this combination) are the only acceptable ways to complete the look. Otherwise, you will have BARCS all over the place looking like mismatched socks, and we all know how stupid that looks...

[TB-7076]

Jay is right - we need to agree on variations acceptable and on a colour scheme.

The real life patterns only really affect the soft parts though as the armor can be coloured

the way it is meant and documented in various screenshots and renders.

 

Only thing that would disturb me would be - if someone would be able to recreate the BARC as we

have seen them on screen but it wouldn't match the accepted range of patterns that was based

on real life patterns and thus being sort of alienated.

Though in the worst case I'd no problems do without having the gear listed as 501st costume.

In the end my preferences for my costumes are priority over 501st

and I have a listed costume already - so... .

[TB-1019]

In the end my preferences for my costumes are priority over 501st

and I have a listed costume already - so... .

True, but why cover the same ground twice, right? Might as well do the work once. My worry is that, if the standards are too loose, you'll have people just painting woodland camo patterns or, worse, just green and brown splotches on their armor (you guys who know what I am talking about have seen this happen already). I may not be interested in doing a BARC trooper, but I don't want my comrades looking like ewok vomit, either. We have an image to maintain!

[Army Scout]

To keep things simple, the camo scheme must look like the screen version. There will be some flexablity, but you must be real close to the screen scheme!

 

Chris

[TB-1019]

The trick is that the movie camo scheme looks to be digital, like the modern U.S. Army BDU's. Replicating that on real armor will be a trick that someone needs to figure out and teach others how to do, using the same standard colors.

[DaVe]

I think the first couple BARC's are going to be rather custom and probably not the agreed upon standard BARC 3 and 4 years from now. Look at the difference between the TK's from ~1997 and the TK's now in 2007. I think we need to just get some out there and look to see what works and what doesn't work. I think it is going to take an off-the-shelf jumpsuit and vaccuformed plastic armor before we see a standard BARC. And as many people have said already, until there is a standard technique for painting a camo scheme, they are all going to be at least slightly different.

 

Does anyone know who the designer of the BARC was at ILM? Maybe someone could interview the designer or get ahold of some of their renders for better understanding of the design. Leverage that Sansweet / ILM relationship people...

[TB-7076]

My worry is that, if the standards are too loose, you'll have people just painting woodland camo patterns or, worse, just green and brown splotches on their armor (you guys who know what I am talking about have seen this happen already).

[...]We have an image to maintain!

 

Well actually I think a lot of stuff that is allowed in the legion gives me headackes but that's another discussion.

I think while us perfectionists would agree there is still a "live and let live" policy in the 501st.

....you don't want someone like me as LMO

There are good sides and bad sides of the coin as in anything regarding the flawed design of mankind.

 

As for the image I've witnessed that only a percentage behind the comma is really distinguishing dead-on

from pathetic. For the absolute majority it's enough that they can identify the movies they were taken from.

[pghfett]

When I paint the helmets I try to maintain the same "style" or "flow" to the camo paint job as seen on screen. There are BARCS seen on screen that have different camo "patterns" on their armor but all have the same "style" of "flow" to them.

 

I would love to do a very detailed thread (I actually started one) with templates but I'm up to my neck getting the rest of the armor fabricated and painted up. On my latest helmet I used a "green wash" to soften the edges of the camo and match up the scheme better.

 

Lets keep this discussion open and active because it's very important to have a standard when it comes to the camo like TB-1019 mentioned above.

 

~Mike

[mrbungle]

do anybody have a link for the accepted forest camo pattern on the under suit? i googled it and did not find it.

 

i am sure there a technical name for it. i.e. digicam,marpat,flecktarn, digital desert,digital woodland and so forth.

[TB-7076]

The latest collective concensus has been the current british desert camo.

I only find it via that description - there seems no specific abreviation or name.

 

Here is an example

http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr2975.html

 

You need to get cotton to get it dyed.

 

[mrbungle]

The latest collective concensus has been the current british desert camo.

I only find it via that description - there seems no specific abreviation or name.

 

Here is an example

http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr2975.html

 

You need to get cotton to get it dyed.

 

 

thanks for the reply, i contacted the member that was getting the british cotton dmp camo to see if i could buy some from him.