E-11s Sniper Rifle addition to the CRL.

[Chef]

I am constantly getting badgered about can we use the E-11s Sniper Rifle on our scouts.

 

 

Over here in the UK 'all' our troops are considered 'canon' and as such everything has to be on the CRL is order to be useable on a troop. I know this doesn't affect most of you but I think it would be nice to get something set in stone.

 

Marcel managed to blag his DC-15x under the EU banner for use here and that's how it's been ran around for a while, but it still causes our 'head-shed' a few nightmares because it's not really listed anywhere official and what with a change round of GML's it all seems to be getting a little lost and clouded.

 

No doubt this sort of issue crops up worldwide.

 

 

So, my proposal.

Officially add it to the CRL as an optional weapon type.

 

Here's all my supporting back-ground gubbins.

 

Blurb:

http://starwars.wiki...1s_sniper_rifle

 

Please note this

 

The appearance was later used to fill the appearance of the weapons used by the sniper units of both the Republic and Empire in the Star Wars: Battlefrontvideo game series, and given the titles of DC-15x and E-11s, respectively.

 

That seems to hint at the term DC-15x referring to the Rebel version of the same rifle. No doubt the lazy programmers used the same sprite case for both weapons. So I think they should be called an E-11s and not a DC-15x. (but that's just me). The two designations seem to be interchangeable.

 

 

More blurb:

http://starwars.wiki...i/Scout_trooper

 

The Scout as we all know well. Note the excerpts below.

 

Equipped with light armor for greater mobility, scout troopers were expert marksmen, trained in reconnaissance and infiltration as well as additional independence and adaptability than most Imperial troops.[4]They also commonly utilized 74-Z speeder bikes.[2] Also within their ranks were the Sniper troopers, specialists trained to use smoke grenades and the E-11s long-range blaster.[5]

 

They were also trained to advance ahead of infantry divisions or to provide rear-guard cover with their sniper rifles.

 

Whereas the E-11s sniper rifle symbolized the scout troopers' role as assassins and expert marksmen,

 

Because of their excellent marksmanship skills, scout troopers were armed with collapsible, long-range E-11s sniper rifles equipped with powerful scopes and small targeting computers for increased accuracy.

 

Reference Photos showing E-11s usage. Mostly canon sources.

 

Old Battlefront I think??

 

Some other game... (I'm not good on games)

 

New Battlefront??

 

Battlefront again?

 

 

 

An erroneous DLT-20a (but still a long rifle) from new Battlefront I think? (maybe we could even include that??)

 

Artwork... Origin unknown.

 

SWGalaxies Trading card game I think.

 

Official Licensed SideShow Collectible figure,

 

 

 

Differing weapon 'styles'

 

 

So all of the above seem to show a long rifle that appears to be based either on the MG34 (DLT-19) with a round barrel shroud or the MG42 with a squarish barrel shroud.

Both with the addition of a Scope on top and mostly with a bipod.

The clearest shots show the MG34 base, but I think either should be acceptable, as long as it contains the Scope/Bipod additions with maybe some other modifications.

 

 

So I think there is a fair argument to say that there is sufficient canonical evidence to include it officially on the CRL.

 

I'm pretty sure that 'canonicity' now fully includes sources such as game material and other licensed LFL sources rather than purely just the films 'canon'.

 

I know it's something that people want, as it's been brought up on a number of occasions and gets mentioned to me all the time over here in the UK.

 

 

What are everyones opinions.

 

Feel free to discuss the minutiae of what should and shouldn't be acceptable, as well as the level of detail required etc... We must remember here that the final product has got to look 'real', but essentially not 'real world', if you get my meaning.

 

The E11 for example was based on a real world gun, which essentially made it plausible and it looked real, but it was sufficiently disguised to not actually look like the original 'real world' Sterling.

 

 

I look forward to hearing your views.

 

Cheers

Rob.

[kayelbe]

Fully support! I have a DLT-19 and ideas to modify it, so I might be a little biased...

[stasz]

Excellent compilation of sources, boss. I would love to put the rifle question put to bed. To me, if a primarily (or solely) video game based CHARACTER can have a costume, a video game weapon should be a "canonical" option.

 

Scouts are consistently described as expert marksmen. I'm 100% for it.

 

And just to add to your already thorough references, the Battlefront action figure also carried a rifle:

[chillywill22]

I would be extremely happy about this if it gets approved. I want to get one but there's events that we cant use. If it does then I will deff be getting one an use it all the time. :)

[Stroker]

I'm all for a long gun. DLT-19 is my pick. It just looks good in the hands of a scout.

[cheesewhoopy]

I'm all for a long gun. DLT-19 is my pick. It just looks good in the hands of a scout.

 

Agreed. I always thought the scout looked so cool in the picture from the newest battlefront game holding the DLT-19. Plus I own a hyperfirm one that I use with my sandtrooper and I love carrying it around.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[revscout91]

I've been saying the scout CRL needs a rifle on it for years. We are the snipers... I have personally never seen anyone with a version with the MG-42 shroud.

 

Most scouts I've seen have the DLT-19 with an added scope with a bipod. (I have this one) However the 19X that is now in Battlefront seems to becoming more popular with it's enlarged scope, removed bipod and less t-track. I've built a bunch of those for scouts already.

 

Also, there is the DLT-20a or as Battlefront calls it, the Pulse Cannon. I've made about 5 of these for scouts and they all like this version better because it's more unique and lighter... me included.

 

But I agree, we need to add at least 1 rifle, if not all 3 of these.

 

[Pale Rider]

It looks like there is more than enough precedent for it. Thanks for bringing this up!

 

Jamie

[c0wboi]

I have a Hyper Firm DLT-19. I've added a scope and I troop ALL the time with it. Only at canon or non-weapon events do I leave it behind.

 

It makes 100% sense for a scoped long gun to be part of the CRL.

 

 

Please?

[Stroker]

I've been saying the scout CRL needs a rifle on it for years. We are the snipers... I have personally never seen anyone with a version with the MG-42 shroud.

 

Most scouts I've seen have the DLT-19 with an added scope with a bipod. (I have this one) However the 19X that is now in Battlefront seems to becoming more popular with it's enlarged scope, removed bipod and less t-track. I've built a bunch of those for scouts already.

 

Also, there is the DLT-20a or as Battlefront calls it, the Pulse Cannon. I've made about 5 of these for scouts and they all like this version better because it's more unique and lighter... me included.

 

But I agree, we need to add at least 1 rifle, if not all 3 of these.

 

I need one of your new scopes bud!

[BikerScout007]

This has never been a big issue for me since I am happy being film canon, and SCG has never prohibited scouts from carrying the long rifles on troops.

 

But it is true that video game material is now considered canon and therefore we should allow the sniper rifle into the CRL.

 

However, Disney has stated that the expanded universe canon material (books, comics, video games) only applies to what has been created AFTER their acquisition. So anything prior to that would be Legends (ie the old Battlefront games). Going by that, I'd say we choose the rifle from the latest Battlefront game to add to the CRL and build the standards around that.

[revscout91]

This has never been a big issue for me since I am happy being film canon, and SCG has never prohibited scouts from carrying the long rifles on troops.

 

But it is true that video game material is now considered canon and therefore we should allow the sniper rifle into the CRL.

 

However, Disney has stated that the expanded universe canon material (books, comics, video games) only applies to what has been created AFTER their acquisition. So anything prior to that would be Legends (ie the old Battlefront games). Going by that, I'd say we choose the rifle from the latest Battlefront game to add to the CRL and build the standards around that.

 

Cool, that would be the DLT-20a then? (the pulse canon I posted above?)

[c0wboi]

Regardless, I'm still carrying my DLT-19

[BikerScout007]

Cool, that would be the DLT-20a then? (the pulse canon I posted above?)

 

Yes, sir. This thingy right here:

http://battlefront.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse_Cannon

 

Regardless, I'm still carrying my DLT-19

 

Hey, it's just a suggestion. We have to find some way to limit it or else we'll need a CRL for every rifle that a Scout has ever been seen with! I think you should definitely carry your DLT-19!

[swagger]

I use a DLT-19 but I added a scope, a rifle sling, and removed the bipod. Kids love holding that rifle and looking through the scope.

 

 

Most people think a rifle sling is used for carrying a rifle on your shoulder or across the body. That's one use but the primary purpose of a rifle sling is to help stabilize the rifle. I used a WWII Enfield sling for my rifle.

[Umaro]

Great research Chef,

I just got approved recently and I was literally in the middle of doing my own research as to why the rifles were not already on the CRL since every Battlefront game has them as the Scouts main weapon when I came across this thread. I whole heartily agree that it needs to be added. As has been said before there are several costumes based entirely on games, why should an optional accessory not be on there too? I mean the evidence is pretty clear, Scouts use sniper rifles.

[Nigoki]

For me personally, part of the reason I'd like to have the option of a rifle is aesthetic. I'm 6'3" WITHOUT my boots and bucket on. Tiny little pistol looks a little weird compared to my build.

[Aliaz]

Sounds like a good idea, I like the look of the big rifle with the Scout.

[Aliaz]

Sounds like a good idea, I like the look of the big rifle with the Scout.

[Chopper]

Given that I'm not a member of the 501st yet, I'm not sure how much weight my opinion holds, but I like the idea of having an optional rifle as a part of the CRL and I'm definitely game for adding the DLT-19X and the DLT-20a. (Even if they aren't I'll probably still carry one anyhow )

 

I do think that, as BikerScout007 noted, it's a question of where we want to set the bar? I'm curious, how often do the other detachment CRLs add video game-only material? Is there any other insight as to how such additions have worked out in other instances, or when it's gone awry?

[Chef]

I think considering that certain characters are purely from games only (TK Commander?) then I would like to think that it's been pretty well hammered out.

 

Stuff goes awry when there is inconsistency... But that's what a reference is there to eliminate.

[BikerScout007]

Given that I'm not a member of the 501st yet, I'm not sure how much weight my opinion holds, but I like the idea of having an optional rifle as a part of the CRL and I'm definitely game for adding the DLT-19X and the DLT-20a. (Even if they aren't I'll probably still carry one anyhow ) I do think that, as BikerScout007 noted, it's a question of where we want to set the bar? I'm curious, how often do the other detachment CRLs add video game-only material? Is there any other insight as to how such additions have worked out in other instances, or when it's gone awry?

 

There is definitely plenty of video game only material out there. The question with the Scout carrying the rifle has come down to canon-appearance vs. non-canon appearance. For some events, we can only be LFL canon, which up to this point has meant film canon (ie, holdout blaster only).

 

Before Disney, all Star Wars material was rated at different levels of canon, with the movies being the highest. After Disney, there is only one level of canon. It's the eight films, the Clone Wars TV series, and everything created since Disney's acquisition (Rebels, the Marvel comics, Aftermath etc). This also includes the latest Battlefront game. So arguably, the only canon Scout rifle would be the DLT-20a. Therefore there is a good case to be made that that should be the one included on the CRL. And then any other rifle, like the DLT-19, would be fine for non-canon appearances.

 

But this is all minutiae that probably doesn't matter to the fans. I know a lot of children whose only knowledge of the Scout Trooper is through Battlefront love seeing the sniper rifles, and I have been getting called "Sniper Scout" a lot since the game's release. I'm fine with my holdout blaster though

[ShaneBolt]

I'm still in the midst of working on my Scout build to become officially a member of the 501st, but in researching Scouts and seeing them as being Snipers, it makes no sense to me to have this teeny tiny little pistol and not some long barreled dakka dakka for Ewok hunting

[ShaunPug]

I would love to get a DLT-20a, so count me in.

 

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

 

 

[CommanderBounds]

I have to agree that it would be great for the Scout to be able to carry a sniper. That's how I grew up seeing the Scout in Battlefront. Maybe Scouts will appear with Snipers in Rebels?