gino Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Ok guys I have searched the world for these items to no avail. I figured maybe someone here will someday find these items for our scouts. If you find them (or think you found them) send me an email at ginosabatinodesign@gmail.com and post here too. I'm not always on the forums but I always check my email. These are the black metal mounting clips that are riveted to the thermal detonator hose. Here's something you didn't know. The thermal detonator was not actually a hose, but rather some grey rubber cord/wire/trim that was wrapped around a smaller hose in a coil fashion to give the illusion of a hose. I think the width floats around 3/16" or 1/8" or 4mm -ish. This is the heavy elastic webbing used on the thighs. It's heavy duty and ribbed. Also if you look closely you can faintly see two or three thin white lines running down the center. Good luck!!! . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Those look like the Makita drill clips I bought for my TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The TD clips look very much like vintage belt clips. The shape of the prongs suggest they could slide into a belt easily, and not too wide of a belt since they are only 1.5" long. Might be tough to find if they are "vintage". I've git a few theories as to where they could come from: - tape measure belt clip (they often have the wide 2 prong style) - knife pouch clip (similar but not exact) http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_info.php?products_id=4192 http://www.theclip.com/store/product.php?productid=16380&cat=275&page=1 -automotive clips for interior panels (not exact but an idea?) http://www.autobodysupplies.com/foldclips.htm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 It's definitely a belt clip of some description. The newer Makita clips are way too wide. I've got some and they're closer to 2" wide. At least I can adjust my drawings now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batninja Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The cord wrap on the tubing reminds me of older telephone cabling with the side-seam. Even the color is dead-on. My father used to work for Southwestern Bell back in the day, and we had OODLES of that cabling laying around. I wonder, if these costumes were made in the UK, if the cabling was any different. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin-X Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Many thanks Gino...please keep it coming! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 Awesome info Gino! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The newer Makita clips are way too wide. I've got some and they're closer to 2" wide. At least I can adjust my drawings now. Yeah you're right. the Makita clips are pretty much 2x2. Well put me on the list for your new clips! I wonder, if these costumes were made in the UK, if the cabling was any different. Everything I've read on the issue said the scout costumes were made in California, and shipped to the UK for when they were needed in studio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The cord wrap on the tubing reminds me of older telephone cabling with the side-seam. Even the color is dead-on. My father used to work for Southwestern Bell back in the day, and we had OODLES of that cabling laying around. Same here. I was thinking the exact same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottie Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 the clips look like door panel clips...the center rivet with the 2 bumps on the sides for support...I will go to my book and see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottie Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 ihave 3 body guys looking and my warehouse guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The cord almost looks like electrical cable that can be split down the middle. Something similar to this, perhaps? Note the profile of the cable (flat sides with slightly rounded edge). Slitting it along the middle seam could give a similar profile to what was actually used. I'm just thinking about all the different stuff that was used, and even with a large budget that they probably had for ROTJ, I'm sure that if they could find a simple, cheap item that they could get in quantity, they'd use that over something more exotic. We know they used parts from Thorens and Mitchell Engineering turntables, so it's not too much to think that they had some spare electronic cables lying around. I thought it might be phone cables, but the spiral stuff is too wide and too narrow. Looking more closely, it looks more like tubing than wire. We know that Boba Fett had a piece of a dental tool on his helmet (Borden connector), so maybe the hose is something related to that? I seem to recall going to the dentist and them having a similar tubing attached to their tools for cleaning teeth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 The scouts were made bu ILM in California. They would use anything to get the desired look even cheap materials lying around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batninja Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I thought it might be phone cables, but the spiral stuff is too wide and too narrow. I didn't mean the cabling from the phone to the handset, I meant the cabling from the phone to the wall. NOT the spiral stuff. Sorry for the confusion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I didn't mean the cabling from the phone to the handset, I meant the cabling from the phone to the wall. NOT the spiral stuff. Sorry for the confusion. Interesting. I know the cabling you're talking about. Wouldn't that stuff be too narrow? You'd have to wrap it on the skinny side but I'm not sure how easy that would be to achieve the above effect. Still worth an experiment. I think I have some of that at home somewhere too. There's also this stuff... Maybe it's a U-shaped edge trim? The ROTJ Stormtroopers had edge trim on their armour, perhaps this stuff is similar or the same? Certainly has a good profile to it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 yeah it certainly could be u channel, but if it is it's really small. like 1/8" - 3/16" ish wide. Also if it was u channel it would be really shallow channel, more square-ish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Either way, I think I'm going to re-do my TD now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwave Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Also, there should be some people from ILM still around either doing the con circuits, or working in the film industry... I wonder if it'd be possible to locate some and have them help? I mean, I don't know where to start... But I'm sure some of the ways we use social media nowadays could be a good start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 yeah it certainly could be u channel, but if it is it's really small. like 1/8" - 3/16" ish wide. Also if it was u channel it would be really shallow channel, more square-ish Hmm... That's true. So we're basically looking for some sort of squarish hose or wire that's super tiny. Maybe it's another piece of tubing that was cut and put on top? I know the usual thing is to use the washer hose, so maybe this was another type of hose that was sliced around and fitted on top? If so, that'd be such a weird thing to do, and not time efficient at all. You've given us a stumper, Gino. I know I'll be thinking about this all weekend, ha! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottie Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Body and hardwear guys came up with things that are close...but i know gino wont want close.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 certainly does like old telephone cabling. I remember similar stuff on our old phones here in the UK back in the 80's... But as has been mentioned already, I don't think it's a UK item, as they were made in the states. Cat5 cable or similar?? for a modern alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Close is better than nothing until we find the real stuff. No one taking a stab on the thigh webbing? I actually think that's going to be the most difficult to find of the three items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Gino, I found vintage webbing at a few local fabric shops. I found a great NOS (new old stock) roll of the shoulder loops and the thigh box webbing. I didn't bother looking for the thigh ones as "modern" 2 inch black elastic is readily available. Can you confirm its cloth webbing (not stretchy) and not elastic? That will at least rule out some options and I can see if I can find anything. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 I have searched everywhere for the thigh webbing. It is really thick. It is sort of fabric-ish, not plastic feeling. My memory says it has some stretch to it but honestly I can't remember. It is possible that it did not have any stretch. I've not seen anything that I though was really even close so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Well... nailing down whether there is any stretch or not would certainly narrow down the field somewhat. I know the following isn't the right stuff, but it has a different texture to the standard elastic we know and love. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wide-Woven-Elastic-Ladies-Waist-Belt-Dress-Making-Flexible-Strap-Sewing-Tape-/271432886993?pt=UK_Crafts_Sewing_Supplies_MJ&var=570293623894&hash=item3f32a92ad1 or this one... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50mm-Black-Non-Roll-Elastic-/350393113924?pt=AU_Sewing&hash=item51950e9d44 And as weird as this one might be!! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-20-yards-Velcro-Elastic-Reusable-Stretch-Loop-Soft-19mm-25mm-50mm-3-4-1-2-/191163959771?pt=UK_Crafts_Sewing_Supplies_MJ&var=490322239519&hash=item2c824289db Just a random thought here, could they be made from some braces (you call them suspenders I think over in the states) type material?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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