kay_dee Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I've been reading through the forums and the CRL for the past week now, as I purchased a MC kit last week + MLC v3 helmet which arrived today (Yay! - it was sold off on 501st forum so I did not have to wait for months.) I have been sewing and researching Star Wars costumes for years, and I've done my best to read through many pages of posts here to get up to speed on sewing my own parts - but I may be missing things and will have questions along the way. The first thing I noticed when studying MOM pictures on my own were the dreaded mystery "pockets (?)" which I was hoping I'd find some discussion of here since the CRL states no visible pockets. I was confused, and found this thread today. http://forum.bikersc...opic=7912&st=20 Seems it was a point of contention between a member who has been to the archives and seen a screen used suit, reporting there were no pockets versus some of the photographic evidence we see in screen caps and exhibit pics? And although I have not studied the blu ray yet, I found it interesting that this screen grab shows the knee detail/possible pocket: http://s274.photobuc...eEDIT3.jpg.html On one hand it would be easy to follow the CRL and go for lancer, and just not worry about any of these pocket like details on my suit (less to sew = faster I'm done!) But the accuracy freak in me wants to add these sort of patch pocket details we see hints of under the armor. Q: Would it be permitted (for either 501st approval or lancer) to add top leg pockets similar to the top pockets on a TIE jumpsuit (the ones just under the waist band, near the crotch, not the flap pockets on the thigh) http://kay-dee.net/c...t/jumpsuit2.jpg And what about improvising a small pocket or rectangular patch near the knee, as you can kind of make out the top of something like that here under the knee plate: http://outpost42.dr-...=898&fullsize=1 and here: http://s274.photobuc...eEDIT3.jpg.html ? Q: As for the collar, should it be a mandarin like the X-wing jump suits which has sort of a sideways V shape to the edge of the tab? I read about Esprit Race suits but can't find a photo of one to save my life. So I'm not sure at all what is meant by "an enclosing strap to keep the neck concealed." Can anyone show me a photo of what that is? I'm only familiar with the X-wing and TIE jump suit which is a straight forward mandarin collar that overlaps itself. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Those "pockets" look like seams to me... and the MOM suit is not considered canon because it was pieced together for the exhibit. As for the flap, there's a good pic of how it's done here: http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?showtopic=10906 It's pretty simple, I wouldn't overthink it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_dee Posted March 22, 2014 Author Share Posted March 22, 2014 Thanks for the tab photo on the collar. I think I'll make mine like X-wing and TIE jump collar though... if that is OK. Or must it be straight edged rather than V? Or does nobody know so it does not matter? Now if I'm seeing a pocket detail on the movie screen grab (specifically the knee in the Blu Ray looks just like the knee on MOM jumpusuit), not just the MOM exhibit, will my costume be rejected by the 501st if I add the details I'm seeing? I know it will be rejected for Lancer and at this point, I may not care. I care more about sewing something as accurately as I can based on my research. If that does not match Lancer so be it, since that is just a fun status anyway. I still think based on my experience sewing jumpsuits and what the stitching looks like on a pocket vs a seam detail, that those are edges of pockets. And the same stitching is evident on the knee of the costume in the screen grab taken from the movie itself so it is at the very least a patch, if not what is called a "patch pocket" made of the same twill as the jumpsuit. Yes, we know for other costumes in the exhibit sometimes parts were mixed up (Com pads on TIE v X-Wing. And the armor on this biker scout has missing greeblies that are not seen on the bikers scouts on film. Maybe this was an extra's suit that just was not clearly filmed so we don't see this variation on camera). Thus far I'm only seeing speculation (not confirmation) that it was not an original jumpsuit on the MOM exhibit. I have not come across any quotes from LFL Archives curators stating the jumpsuit was a substitute - though there is a lot to read here and may have missed that? I remember all the speculation back when people did not want to believe it was Luke's real ROTJ cloak on display at FIDM (because people wanted to believe they were right that his cloak was "black" when it wasn't). So it goes both ways. Sometimes it is real and just didn't match what we originally thought, sometimes they are substitutes or mixed up parts. Oh well, it's looking like I can't start my jumpsuit until I get back from travels in June. I guess I'll check with my GML on the pocket issue too. Don't want to get turned down if they just are in no way accepted even if I can scramble together documentation from the DVD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Yeah I'm no expert costume maker so I'm sure you are right. But the way I look at it, the 501st and Lancer standards don't call for it so I'm not going to bother. There's enough small details to get right just to make Lancer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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