Weapons on the CRL ?

[Heavy]

Hi all

 

There is a debat going on right now in the Nordic Garrisons forum regarding weapons for the TB, because there we are only allowed to troop with the hold-out blaster at bigger events.

 

As the CRL is today, the TB has only the hold-out blaster, but I have seen another CRL page dated 2010, where the DLT-19 rifle also was an option to use.

 

Now, I know, that a lot of people are trooping with the DLT-19 and also the sniper rifle from the Battlefront game (some convert a DLT-19 and add a scope)

 

So here is the question for our CRL team :

 

Is it possible to get both the DLT-19 rifle (back again) and the sniper rifle on to the CRL as optional accessories, so it is okay for us to have these great props too ??

 

 

Thanks in advance

[Griffin-X]

I'm just the web dude, but here's my take as a Biker Scout.

 

The hold out blaster was the only blaster we see scouts use in ROTJ. We do know that the Stormtroopers used the DLT-19 in ANH and have seen it in the other movies too. But, there is no official reference pic or screen capture of a Scout using a DLT-19 (the MG34 variant). That being said, it's not an offical weapon of the Biker Scout and not part of the CRL.

 

There is a weapon seen in the Star Wars: Battlefront game. This is a DLT-20A or a DC-15X (the MG42 variant). If any other blaster were to be approved, it would be that one. Marcel built a really, really nice one.

 

 

 

 

Personally, I own two DLT-19 blasters -- 1 with a scope, and 1 without a scope. I use the scope variant for non-canon events from time-to-time. I do like the DLT-19 look over the DLT-20A, but it's not in the game.

[Heavy]

Hi Jim

 

Thanks a lot - just wondering why it appears on an old page of the CRL for the TB though and has been a part of the CRL before ?

 

My dad is right now in the building of the sniper rifle used in the Battlefront Games (like the one Marcel made) so perhaps this one could be added to the CRL at a point ??

 

We could x our fingers for that

 

I too have a DLT-19 which I have used to some troops, but I´m not going to use it for troops anymore......

[Smiling Fox]

My personal opinion is, the scouts are specialized members of the Stormtrooper corps and, as such, are qualified with the same weapons. Although we don't see the E-11 or DLT-19, there is no way any military force would send troops into battle without a primary battle rifle.

 

All the scenes you see the scouts in, they wouldn't have had the chance to grab their weapons. They are constantly being surprised or caught in the middle of something else, unlike TK's, who are standing guard or chasing Han. I think there were some E-11's they just didn't get to.

 

That being said, whether I believe it or not, it wasn't in the movie and I highly doubt it will ever be added to the CRL. Maybe JJ will have a scout or two in Ep. VII and we can have some better weapons.

[Chef]

I'd assume the CRL was adjusted to reflect the more stringent nature of the costume when other updates were introduced.

 

As it stands, the ONLY weapons that the Scouts are seen with in any of the canon references are the hold out blaster and the 'Battlefront' sniper rifle, which was given the DC-15x tag (or less commonly the E-11s).

 

Marcel has had clearance to use his Battlefront SR, so the precedent has been set there.

 

 

 

But from what I understand, the BSR is 'not' just an MG42 with a scope on. It's a slightly different beast, and Marcel custom built his to match the game reference.

 

 

 

Now, from the back-ground blurb to the scout, there is reference made to their using the E-11s, a long ranged version of the E-11. There aren't many reference images of this, and most tend to be of the Battlefield Sniper Rifle.

 

 

Whether it get's updated on the CRL will be partly down to public opinion, partly down to the staff and mostly down to the LMO's.

[Heavy]

As it stands, the ONLY weapons that the Scouts are seen with in any of the canon references are the hold out blaster and the 'Battlefront' sniper rifle, which was given the DC-15x tag (or less commonly the E-11s).

 

Marcel has had clearance to use his Battlefront SR, so the precedent has been set there.

 

 

 

Hi there and thanks for the great comments and opinions all of you

 

My dad is partial using Marcel´s pics of his build to make a sniper rifle, but he uses the ref. pics from the game Battlefront the most.

 

Who gives clearence for using this one at troops, (when it´s not in the CRL) like Marcel has gotten to use his ?

[Chef]

A lot of it comes down to your individual GML.

 

He/she ultimately is the person who gives the nod to each element of a costume and it's usage.

 

Depending on what type of personality they are, will depend on how successful you are. Some are purely driven by the CRL and will not budge beyond it's parameters.

Others (like ours) are very forward thinking and willing to expand the envelope.

The canon reference for the BSR was put to him, and Marcel's replica with it. Considering the amazing job Marcel did with it, our GML was willing to push it, considering the reference.

I don't know if he had to discuss this with the LMO's or not, or whether he had the autonomy to say 'yes' of his own back. Marcel may be able to shed more light on that particular aspect.

[Griffin-X]

The DL can always request that the CRL be updated, if he wants to do it and has a good reason. The LMO team will either agree, or disagree.

[4505Marcel]

I got my DC-15x battle front sniper cleared as an expanded universe variant, not sure we can have EU costumes in a standard scout crl.

There certainly isn't a MG42 or MG32 style scout sniper though. I made the mistake of starting a build with an MG42, it wasn't until I started really looking at it, that there really is no resemblance that would get those cleared. the barrel and muzzle is completely different, the barrel on the top of the DC-15x is rounded and has holes down its length, and the muzzle break is hexagonal not round.

 

I thought the scouts could use the hold out pistol, E11s which is a beefed up standard E11 and of course the DC-15x, both these being from the battle front game

[Heavy]

Oki thanks all

 

- so, I have no chance at all to get that permission, since the NG is very strong minded ...

 

Perhaps it could be a task for you Marcel to put in a request for getting the sniper rifle into the CRL, so all TB´s have a fair chance of getting their weapons approved and not turned down because of strongminded Garrisons/GML´s ??

 

My dad has also noticed, that the sniper rifle from the game is not like the MG42 or MG32, so he has made it all from scratch, again (like he did with the DLT-19) - don´t know, if he gets it as top notch like yours, since he´s building mainly out of wood, but I think, it´s getting close

[4505Marcel]

Il see what I can do Heidi

[4505Marcel]

Can some one find a real nice picture of a scout holding the Ells so I can put that forward also?

[Southscout]

Oki thanks all

 

- so, I have no chance at all to get that permission, since the NG is very strong minded ...

 

Perhaps it could be a task for you Marcel to put in a request for getting the sniper rifle into the CRL, so all TB´s have a fair chance of getting their weapons approved and not turned down because of strongminded Garrisons/GML´s ??

 

My dad has also noticed, that the sniper rifle from the game is not like the MG42 or MG32, so he has made it all from scratch, again (like he did with the DLT-19) - don´t know, if he gets it as top notch like yours, since he´s building mainly out of wood, but I think, it´s getting close

Hey... no need to drag down our garrison. Get something approved if you want to, but there's no need to talk down the entire group and the GML team.

[Southscout]

And for anyone wondering, it's not a real debate since there are no opposing views, rather a check on how to proceed, should there be a need to do so.

 

And so far no TB sniper rifles have been seen in the garrison, so no one has been denied approval of one.

[Griffin-X]

Can some one find a real nice picture of a scout holding the Ells so I can put that forward also?

 

Thanks Marcel, a great direction for the scouts. This pic may work.

 

 

[Heavy]

Hey... no need to drag down our garrison. Get something approved if you want to, but there's no need to talk down the entire group and the GML team.

 

Sorry if you think, that I´m doing that - that was not my intention. Only trying to point out, if it´s not in the CRL, our GML for exampel doesn´t approved it, and I´m sure, that they are not the only GML team in the world, who follow the "guidelines" in the CRL so strickt.

 

Yes I´m going to try to get the DC-15x sniper rifle approved in NG, so let´s see, when the time has come for that - which will hopefully be in a week or two

 

Great up-close pic of the rifle Jim, my dad is using the other one at this point, so now he can make some adjustments to it for accuracy.

 

And thank you very much Marcel, really appriciate it.

 

Great with all these replies to the topic, guys !

[Arnie]

If you follow the discussion(Not debate) thread on our own forum, wich I started because I was curious about getting EU weapons approved, you will see that the GML team actually dont mind approving a Scout sniper, as long as it looks good and maybe have a reference photo. But it can ONLY be approved as a EU weapon, and therefore can only be used at Non-canon events.

 

EU not trooping at Canon events, is not something we can change.

[Heavy]

If you follow the discussion(Not debate) thread on our own forum, wich I started because I was curious about getting EU weapons approved, you will see that the GML team actually dont mind approving a Scout sniper, as long as it looks good and maybe have a reference photo. But it can ONLY be approved as a EU weapon, and therefore can only be used at Non-canon events.

 

EU not trooping at Canon events, is not something we can change.

 

And here we go.........

 

Discussion/debat call it what you want, and yes I have followed this on the forum, but since I´m going to get a hard time, if I´m commenting it there, I preferred to ask in here.

 

But thank you for your comment... and I´m looking forward to getting my DC-15x approved...

[4505Marcel]

Ive put it to the LMO and they have no issue with the DC-15x going in the standard CRL, but just waiting on more views.

 

Jim that picture you posted is of the DC-15x not the E11s mate, the E11s looks like a standard E11 receiver with a longer barrel and scope, that's the other one I want to get the thumbs up on.

 

You've got to remember were not talking about some obscure EU costume here, its just an add on to the standard scout which is instantly identifiable. Seeing as they are identicle both game and film, our EU GML in the UKG said it wasn't necessary to have a new EU scout sniper label for it. So this really could be the same for everyone.

[Heavy]

Ive put it to the LMO and they have no issue with the DC-15x going in the standard CRL, but just waiting on more views.

 

You've got to remember were not talking about some obscure EU costume here, its just an add on to the standard scout which is instantly identifiable. Seeing as they are identicle both game and film, our EU GML in the UKG said it wasn't necessary to have a new EU scout sniper label for it. So this really could be the same for everyone.

 

 

Great Marcel - that´s just super ! thank you very much and I´m x my fingers, that the LMO is going to let this pass after more views on it. Why shouldn´t they ? right ?

 

My dad think, that he will be finished with his version of the DC-15x in a week or two, so it would be nice to get you guys opinion in here on it before trying to get it approved at my Garrison. So I´ll make a build thread with a link, when it´s time...

 

Again, thanks Marcel and all of you - best detachment ever !

[Griffin-X]

There are the Sideshow Collectors figures/statues that have the DLT-19 (MG-34) variant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still digging for an E-11 sniper, but have seen a few. I think Cyberscout did one, right?

 

 

 

And then there are these guys....

 

[Heavy]

Great Jim

 

On the last pic of the 3 scouts - aint that DLT-19´s or ? kind of hard for me to see...

[sausage_mahoney]

I have no insight into what is correct and what is not. I just hope there is movement...a sniper would be awesome to carry

[Arnie]

One thing I have noticed about the scouts in the game though. They have some sort of Thigh armor, and (at least in TFU) the mud flap is white... Small differences, but they are in fact there

[Heavy]

One thing I have noticed about the scouts in the game though. They have some sort of Thigh armor, and (at least in TFU) the mud flap is white... Small differences, but they are in fact there

 

Is that thigh armor on both sides ?? because it looks like it could be the holster from the boot that is placed there instead...