Darth Voorhees Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Ok so last time i applied for lancer one of the issues was my pouch placement. I was told they should be to the outer edges of the chest armor. I was also told that all the vertical stitching on the cummerbund should be visible between the pouches. So..due to my size (44"chest currently) and armor type (MC) i dont think i can get both of these things to happen until i lose more weight, because the MC armor is smaller than say, SC. At the last event i did i noticed i had to have my pouches only a couple of inches apart in the front, only showing 2-3 of the vertical stitched ribs, or i have to have them go slightly past the edge of the armor. I can adjust the attachment flaps accordingly to do this without them sticking out. Id prefer the latter to maintain a good size space in front between the pouches. Would this be acceptable for lancer? My vest has been ordered and i have the suede for the buttflap. I think i have everything else set for lancer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 6 stitch lines, 5 raised areas, add the same distance of a stitch line to either side and that is exactly where the pouches are sewn. [in my opinion] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Mine are attached to the armor. i prefer them right outside the stitch lines on the cummerbund but what happens then is the pouches go further on the outer edges of the armor. I think i may make slightly thinner pouches and kind of try and find a happy medium. Ugh if i was thin i wouldnt have this problem lol. In this pic i have the pouches right to the outer edges of the armor(yes i know my pouches are backwards lol..thats also why they are sitting funny :/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 They are too close together,they should be just a small distance beyond the last stitch lines on the cummerbund. You don't look overweight, pouches look a decent size, they could possibly be hung slightly lower, closer to the belt than the bottom of the chest piece maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyjellyfish77 Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I sewed mine to the bun and use suspenders to hold my bun up. Then the suspender straps hide under the vest. The clasp of the suspender also keeps the armor from lifting past the top of the bun. Just my personal way of getting my pouches, bun, and armor to look right. I'm not lancer by any means though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I would say you are suffering the age old problem of 7x7x2 syndrome.... Your pouches are too big. I had the very same issue, and they just pushed everything out. So I've slimmed mine down to 7" high x 6" wide and 1.75" deep. And whilst it's only an inch, it makes one hell of a difference. If you look at this screen grab in our gallery... http://forum.bikerscout.net/index.php?app=gallery&image=381 You'll clearly see that the pouches are higher than they are wide. And that the inner edge of the pouch lines up with the outer part of the grey slot on the chest armour or there abouts. They will naturally sit quite wide, and towards the arms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chex Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Remember, Lancer is all about fit and finish too. You can have all the components to make it, but if it doesn't look right, then it doesn't look right. Knowing you, you'll get it to look how you need it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks guys! yep 100% too close together John! that was my predicament! cuz they are attched at the furthest ends of the armor. Last time i applied for lancer i was told thats where they should be, as far as where they line up with the chest armor, as i had them a little further apart so they werent so close together. So one way i had one problem, the other way i had another..so i gave up at that time lol. Yes chef..you are 100% right and i was actually planning to make the pouches less wide. In that pic they are mounted right at the edges of the chest armor and they look too close together! Yes indeed Chex! Thats why i was like..why does this not look right...sometimes ya just need another set of eyes to point out whats right in front of ya! lol I have suspenders with parachute clips holing my bund up. I used to have my pouches attached to the bund, but found this a little better for movement to avoid the pouches folding the top of the bund down ..this kept happening for some reason..but im rethinking this and may go with attaching the new pouches to the bund again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Great advice guys, I tweaked my patterns quite some time ago to slim down my pouches as they seemed to fit more people that way. I would have brought SC armour to, to be honest when you started. Or indeed Robs now we have options. MC is great if your short and skinny. Im sure we can get it to work for you, but your pouches are just not sitting right on the posted picture. With a larger chest plate that would have closed the gap between belt and chest, making it easier to get the right look on the pouch placment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Already got in touch with Rob, Marcel Probably going to replace my chest and back with his until i drop some more weight. However, in this pic i have my pouches on the correct sides and they sit better...maybe they are just broken in to be on the correct sides..kinda odd..this pic is only a couple of months old...same armor, same pouches..and actually 12lbs heavier lol (im on the right..this is me and my wife ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 Got my vest yesterday and it is MUCH better than my old one that was just too bulky. So..going to fix the pouch issue by making slightly narrower pouches. They seem to sit better when they are actully on the correct sides (as seen above) Going to be sewing my bumflap onto the jumpsuit today. I had gotten my armor second hand and it was the MC armor that had the light on the tank, so i removed it an put a piece of ABS where the light was. Going to bondo up the seams sand and paint/weather. Pretty sure i have everything else covered. Hopefully i'll apply for lancer soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 If you look at this screen grab in our gallery... http://forum.bikersc...llery&image=381 You'll clearly see that the pouches are higher than they are wide. And that the inner edge of the pouch lines up with the outer part of the grey slot on the chest armour or there abouts. They will naturally sit quite wide, and towards the arms. Ya know thats exactly where i had mine last time, actually very similar to jyJellyfish77's sig. I was told they were too far apart. I cant remember who was telling me this at the time, but thats what i was told. Actually it was like the pic i use as my avatar. I will def make smaller pouches , but i also think MC armor is actually a bit too small compared to the screen used. When you look at that pic you linked, look at how wide the bottom of the chest armor seems. Anywho, thanks for all the help everyone...hope i can get to submit Lancer soon and actually achieve it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 It is all a relative thing. I tend to advise that the pouch should sit 'somewhere' in the area under the grey bar, depending on your build. Obviously, with the wider pouches that you have, having them start at the outer edge of the grey bar pushes the pouches right out and makes it look daft (as I had originally), yet when you slim them down by an inch, it suddenly doesn't look so out of place. It is a bit of a fine line to tread. I put velcro tabs on the tops of my pouches and a big velcro band in the inside of my chest plate, so I can freely move them around to see what suits best. Yes, the armour does seem wide, but then I'm sure the actors who played them weren't beefcake like you and I. Oh, and here are those measurements for you. Across the chest bottom = 14.25" Across the shoulders (in line with the neck line of the back plate, the neck line of the chest plate dips a bit lower) = 9.75" Height (from bottom of backplate to bottom of neck-line) = 9.5" Height (from bottom of backplate to top of shoulder) 13.75" Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 i did the same with the velcro in my chest armor. Somehow i think having the pouches on the wrong sides just messed up the whole way they were sitting. In that pic above they dont look so bad right? I think making the 6X7X1.75 pouches would just about do it Im gonna do that today. lol..beefcake Yea theres actually a member from a neighboring garrison that is muscular but thin and a smaller build and MC armor actually looks almost spot on on him lol..his pouches are too low though and it drives me nuts lol Ah thanks im gonna compare and then let ya know! Thanks for all the help! I really wanna try and get this right the first time i apply for Lancer lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Ok heres a couple of pre-lancer photos Slightly narrower and slightly longer pouches Red light removed from tank Vest (i see i need to make sure the vest isnt jutting out from the armor on the shoulders) I will probably make the sleeves a little shorter to move up the bicep armor a bit. I still need to do the cuts in the boots. What do you guys think overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 You see, the look of those pouches is a million times better. The bottom part of the flap seems a little thin, I'll let Marcel and the rest of the gang comment on them. Be careful of the flak vest sticking up on top of your shoulders. Like you say, I'd be tempted to shorten the sleeves by half inch or so, and maybe you tighten them ever so slightly to stop them ballooning your bells out. But it's certainly coming together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thanks Chef....i agree it looks way better now Yea i was thinking that about the flaps as well, but i can try and fix that before i apply. Yep, vest sleeves should be a little shorter. they were actually longer and i cuffed em under...gotta do it a lil more then ill iron and maybe use hem tape to hold it so there is no horizontal stitch. Dont think i can tighten them up though..my last vest i made em tighter than this and i couldnt get my arms over my head to get my armor on lol. but we'll see i can pin it and give it a test go. even with no vest my bells tend to be like that. i could lengthen the elastic at the shoulder to make them less angled and more straight down, but then they are further from the chest armor....but that may be best? I gotta figure out how to stop the flak vest from doing that at the shoulders! Although im not done with my tweaks, i think this is the best any scout ive had has ever looked. Thanks for all the help, keep the suggestions comin! Hopefully Marcel will weigh in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Lots better now bro, top job. As you say watch the length of those vest sleeves. They only want to be around 1/2" longer than the bells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Voorhees Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thanks Marcel! means alot coming from you! I redid the pouch flaps..i think this is much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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