Heatshock Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Now as this has come up, I was looking fr consistency with other crls. Now I realise what the ukg considers more impt ie screen cap. But this is a 501st CRL we are working on. GM CRL - level 3 for the helmet includes 2 details only seen on 3d images and a non-screen cap AtAt driver CRL - level 2 for their helmet is light grey. That is the colour of the ACTUAL prop, not how it appears on screen. At the end of the day, it's all plastic and make beleve.. But a precedent has been set. What are we picking as the more accurate swamper version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Recon Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 So is that how most CRL's for elite status are? Mainly 3d renders and before screen productions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 Well not most, ive only looked through clones, gm and kashyyyks. I looked up acd, as this has been another tslking point in my garrison. These however, are 2 good examples. I think there some controversy in the imperial officer crl, where the higher level item, boxes on the belt is based on very blurry images. The atat is a fine example of 'old world/ original trilogy' finding with the best translation to the cgi situation. The original prop is a completely different colour to the on-screen prop,the original prop colour having the higher certification than on-screen. The other clone crls I've been involved in, much better, sharper and just plain more ref pics are available. Also a lot of what we argue abt in the kashyyyk trooper is colour and pattern. All of which appears rather nuanced and interpretional. Also cos other detachments have done it doesn't mean we have to. But I am a firm believer that the same rules should apply equally to all. Plus this is really abt right or wrong really, I just like consistency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Recon Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think we should be basing it off of the other clones and how they determine their elite status troopers. That's just my opinion but if we base it off of the other clones then we don't run into "actual prop" problems because there are none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 Agreed. The reason to bring up the at at driver was to illustrate the problem really. 3d render is what the costume is supposed to look like. Just like the original atat helmet is grey. Now due to lighting, weathering etc the on screen details on the Kashyyyk look different, just as on screen atat looks white. Hope that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledmilk Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 i have the greatest idea for a name. since scouts get tree dodger and ext. we cant piggy back off of them, so i say we call our award the Muck(er) Truckers, you know cause we trek through the swamp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Why can they not just go under the same umeralla as Lancer? Why the need of a different name? Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 Not bothered really mate. Level 2 or 3 cert is ok with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miqt Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The con going general public and all but those very few people who are actually building this costume have ever even seen the 3d renders. The new crl needs support the 'costume' as it was seen on film, first and foremost. If some neuances from the 3d render will be required for an 'elite' status, thats fine with me... But my focus will be to look as much like the screen seen as possible: for the reason above. Thats my opinion anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Original Lancer?... digital Kashyyyk... ....a whole bunch of Lancers.... ...and the flying Kashyyyk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 has that dude had his Readi-Brek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Basic Level approval CRL - Screen image Kashyyyk Trooper. Advanced status - More accurate details to select parts. These are just examples of how it could be done. That way, the basic approved Kashyyyk Trooper will be based on the screen images. The level three certification on Clonetroopers.net example of Commander Bly. The knee strap is considered a level three if: "the center of the strap is primer grey. ' In ROTS, Bly is on screen for a whole hot few seconds, and at no time do you see his knee strap. So, that is based on either 3-D renderings or statues made by Sideshow Collectibles or other makers. Maybe "41st Elite" for the advanced status. Gree is the commander of the 41st Elite division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatshock Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 i like the suggestion. i also like the 41st Elite tag. although tbh, the grey patch was a hang over from mr bungles original build, based on very poor dvd shots, and other promo shots eg like ur above grumpy. if anything the grey ring patch should stay at basic requirements if at all. personally i am really liking the grey/tan/oatmeal suede riding patch on both basic and higher requirements as for the grey stripe on the clone CRLs, its actually based on a few screen caps of aotc grunts and high res 3d renders of specific clones. a lot of the other refs show em to be plain with that raised centre piece. pending blue ray pics i like light tan/off white for basic boots, white for the higher cert as based on 3d pics also i would like to echo Grumpy's suggestion: comments and suggestions are welcomed. lets refrain from talking down to people, insulting and baiting. nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miqt Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Does this costume (or any for that matter) require 2 levels of 'status'. There are lots of 501 and RL costumes out there without an 'elite' status which, from what i have seen, cause more problems than they are worth. Im my opinion, if you looked like you just walked off the movie set: it doesnt get any better than that. Im all for putting more work into a costume, i did that on my 327th clone, but i dont need an elite status or anything. Im a 501st member, i know how good that is, and i dont have to compare my suit to the clones around me telling myself whos elite and who isnt. Thats it for me, i promose i wont bug an opine any more, ill just build the very best i can. Thanks to all and those who are updating the CRL. See ya in the build threads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Recon Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 "41st Elite" sounds like a perfect tag for the higher status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Mmmm How can a higher accuracy level 2 costume be based on a 3D image that isnt accurate, to what is seen on screen. That sort of makes a mockery of being a highly accurate scout doesnt it? The 3D should be in a basic CRL if anything at all. I wonder where the whole lancer name came from originally for scouts, anyone know? Im liking the 41st elite, how about "Lancer 41st Elite" to tie us all togther, but all so to define us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledmilk Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 We can always do level one is (garrison spec) a clean fresh on planet, everything nice and new. then level 2 is in the muck weathered. changing the riding patch color for 1/2 isnt a great idea but im open to w/e, seems like a significant change of costume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 we could split the lancer name to Lancer 439th Elite for scouts, and Lancer 41st Elite for kashyyyyks but both come under the same scope. I dont feel the need for say a level 3 so, I feel just work with basic and Elite basis across the board for both cossies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Might do this just for fun... It's an all white Kashyyyk Trooper with a black jumpsuit underneath and what looks like a combination of the two helmets. Maybe it's the transition between the Kashyyyk Trooper and the Biker Scout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Recon Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 LoL, I love that pic Matt I like the idea of having 2 levels, but what needs to be determined, not by voters choice but by how the other clones chose to have their CRL's ranked. That way we can backup with reasons why one is the basic level and the other is the elite. There must have been reasons, and as you said the same rules should apply to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Whatever appeals to the masses. Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LENOX61 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Matt- Where did you get that Kashyyyk Fathead??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledmilk Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 you can order off of fatheat although i dont think they liked my review. havnt seen it up yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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