Pandatrooper Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 I guess we didn't come to a consensus and make the change to Lancer spec. We could still discuss it and present the change to staff, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Being on the Lancer Panel, I can categorically say that I WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL to make sure that bit does not stop your lancer application. It's the screen accurate way of closure, it's proven by screen grabs and how it should be done. So despite what the specs say. Fear not Eric. I'll give it the nod. And I'm 99.9% certain all the others would too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 So Chef, what steps should we take if we want to make suggestions to update the Lancer requirements? I think there's enough "evidence" in this thread re: the elastic widths. The rear buckle closure is not in any pics I know of, and the only pics we see so far is the velcro closure. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batninja Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 And I definitely agree that the chest armor connection webbing is narrower. As a matter of fact, it looks (to me) to be the same fabric as the 1 1/2" webbing for the drop boxes. I think I'm going to go as close to screen-accurate as I can, and simply hope for the best for Lancer inclusion. Even if I'm denied Lancer status, at least I'll know I'm right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Just discuss it with Marcel and the rest of the head-shed. There are some who like to push for better detail and higher standards, and there are those who would prefer to keep it as is, or loosen the reins even further. Everything is purely down to discussion. Some will agree with you, some won't. That's the nature of discussion. The release of the Blu-Ray and even harsher scrutiny has thrown up plenty of new ideas and discoveries. The increase in the base standard considerably narrowed the gap between the two, so maybe it is time for a review? The forum is here for you guys, we're merely here to keep it running on the rails and help you chaps on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimei Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 my belt served it's last troop this weekend...and I'm going to be building a new one. should I go with Velcro? or put the buckle back on this one? I'm inclined to try the velcro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 In my opinion, go velcro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Velcro, every day of the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4505Marcel Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Indeed Velcro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Seeing as this is coming up again, the only change that I'd like to see to the Lancer specs is the bottom chest strap. Every screenshot that I've seen seems to indicate that it's 1.5", not the 2" that's currently in the spec. In fact, it stands to reason that it's not elastic, but the same cotton webbing that was used for the hip boxes. Put yourself in the costume designer's shoes: Would it make sense to just buy 1 big roll of 1.5" webbing and use it as much as possible? How easy would it have been to find the same texture webbing, just in two slightly different sizes? To be honest, it's really the only bit of the Lancer spec that I disagree with. Hopefully, that can be changed and we can all move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batninja Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 For the same reason, I've always wondered about the 1 3/8" inch elastic for the shoulder and biceps. This is not a standard elastic width. It seems to me that they would've used more economical approach instead of deconstructing suspenders made in China. I don't know; is 35mm a standard width for elastic in Europe/Asia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandatrooper Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 For the same reason, I've always wondered about the 1 3/8" inch elastic for the shoulder and biceps. This is not a standard elastic width. It seems to me that they would've used more economical approach instead of deconstructing suspenders made in China. I don't know; is 35mm a standard width for elastic in Europe/Asia? It would be way easier for a wardrobe person to buy a giant roll of elastic, than to source suspenders and trim them. I think the costumes were made in the USA, in California if I'm not mistaken. According to costume designer Aggie Guerard Rodgers, she has worked in California for her whole career. I recall photos from the FL archives with them testing the scout costumes. What i am getting at is that if the costumes were made in the USA, shouldn't the common measurements be standard / imperial versus metric measurements? Cuz you're right, it's often tough to find odd sizes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Yup, 35mm and 38mm widths are fairly easy to obtain over here. I've even managed to source some 45mm, which was always the bug bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 And I definitely agree that the chest armor connection webbing is narrower. As a matter of fact, it looks (to me) to be the same fabric as the 1 1/2" webbing for the drop boxes. I think I'm going to go as close to screen-accurate as I can, and simply hope for the best for Lancer inclusion. Even if I'm denied Lancer status, at least I'll know I'm right. I'm going the 1 1/2 route as well. There's no way that is 2 inches wide. And 1 3/8 elastic just doesnt exist here, so every where that's called for I'm going with 1 1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batninja Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I did the 1 1/2 width for the bicep and shoulder armor, until I found a source for the 1 3/8". Search eBay for "35mm black elastic". You'll see sets of suspenders in that width. They're all overseas, so there will be a wait, but at least it's accessible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikerScout007 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I did the 1 1/2 width for the bicep and shoulder armor, until I found a source for the 1 3/8". Search eBay for "35mm black elastic". You'll see sets of suspenders in that width. They're all overseas, so there will be a wait, but at least it's accessible. Yeah, I'm of the mind that the original scout costumes were made in the US with Imperial measurements.... if I don't get Lancer because of 1/8 of an inch... so be it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I did find some by-the-meter, on-the-roll on ebay as well. Multiple sizes, including 35 mm. Again, overseas, but there's no way around that with this strap width. (Looks like they might be out of stock soon, though... But given how much they have sold in the past, they might have more in the future. I went ahead and got myself some.) As for the discussion, I have to agree that it looks like the 1.5" cotton webbing used on the thigh boxes, between the front and back pieces of the armor. The 45 mm might be a good compromise between that and the current 2" standard, but it's even harder to find than the 35 mm. To that end, I'll throw my proverbial bucket into the same ring as Pandatrooper and batninja; it would seem more logical to assume imperial widths on the original costumes since they were mostly likely made in the US. Then again, assumptions can be dangerous. Lol. Don't you guys wish we could just hop in a DeLorean and go back in time, measuring tape in-hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I've used that company before... They should ship worldwide. IF people are wanting to upgrade, it might be worth one of you ordering a roll and then distributing it locally when it gets your side of the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin-X Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Deja vu...You can pickup 35mm suspenders fairly cheap on eBay. That's what I used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 But not everyone has your weekend fetish Jim... heheheheh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin-X Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 But not everyone has your weekend fetish Jim... heheheheh. I knew that was coming...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 You set 'em up... I'll knock 'em down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I've used that company before... They should ship worldwide. IF people are wanting to upgrade, it might be worth one of you ordering a roll and then distributing it locally when it gets your side of the pond. I ordered 5 meters of the stuff with the same thought in mind. There probably aren't many people in my garrison who want to upgrade, but I figured I'd get my hands on a good chunk of it and see if anyone on this side is interested in the inevitable extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm just starting my build, so if anyone has extra 35MM I can buy I'm definitely interested. It doesn't seem that there has been closure on this subject, so I'm assuming that the current Lancer info and guide that Panda posted on a different thread are still accurate. And Velcro is acceptable to close the belt in back. Does it matter what width elastic is used for the chin cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_dee Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I'm going the 1 1/2 route as well. There's no way that is 2 inches wide. I know I'm new, but I agree. The side chest strapping just looks way too close to the drop box webbing in size. Here is the MOM photo: And I know there is nothing that says the MC armor is proper scale, but here is 1.5 webbing through my MC armor. I think 1.75 woulld look off and too wide for the MC armor so IMO, for overall effect, I think if someone owns MC armor the 1.5 webbing is most suited to it. I'd be curious to see what 1.75 looks like in some of the other armor people own (like SC) to see how it looks scale wise compared next to the MOM images. I could see saying, depending on your armor make, either 1.5" or 1.75" is appropriate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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