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I used auto wax on my helmet, and armor, its shines nicely! No painting needed. Also the wax protects the armor from minor scratching and yellowing.

The "Hero" helmet is the helmet that was desgined to be used for close-ups. You can see it during the speederbike chase when Luke is fighting the trooper. The "stunt" or "background" version is the version seen most on film, which maintains a quite different appearance to the close-ups. So if you look at how the various helmet makers have developed their molds, each based their look on one of the two helmets mentioned above.

Something to think about is also the look you want. Meaning..................... If you want the look of one of the stunt Scouts than the MLC is a great way to go. If you want the look of the "Hero" Scout then the KS is the way to go. Either one is great, and each has its inaccuracies, and modifications which will be needed. I personaly use the KS. I like the weight, the ABS, and the look. Also the MLC is very restrictive for certain larger head sizes. Something to also consider in the future EFX will be releasing their Scout helmet which will be derived from the original LFL molds. It is a long way out, and will be VERY expensive, but it will be the ultimate for accuracy. Good luck and keep us updated on your progress.

I am down for one of the greeblies too!

I can help with this: 1. The suit is a body stocking which has nothing to do with the production suits. It's a filler as the only two suits the Archives has, one is on a maniquine used for exhibits, and the other is the prototype suit with tan suede patches. 2. The "neck seal" is not the Stormtrooper seal that we are all familiar with. Its a fire protective seal used during some stunts, and may have been used on the Hero trooper for effect, but that is unclear. 3. The greeblies on the TD are one of 2 versions used in the film. Version one is blank no greeblies, version two is what we all have (accurate?), and this is the version that went with the armor that has the red square to it. Possibly prototype, or a version not seen on screen as of yet. Now with Blu Ray perhaps it will show. The holster on the opposite leg was done years ago, possibly for production, but that's not clear as of yet. We do know that the right boot shows signs of a holster being worn. 4. The knee plate straping may be original to the costume. The straps were replaced a long time ago, and the upper strap is to keep the knee plate in the up position. For the display?

I am 5'10 and the KS helmet is a prefect fit. Both helmets are movie size, but each was modeled after a different film version of the helmet. There are some differences, however both the KS & MLC will suit your needs depending on the look you want. The KS is more aligned with the Hero helmets, while the MLC is suited for the stunt versions (which do appear more often in the film.) The KS is a lighter weight white ABS while the MLC is a fiberglass helmet is heavier and painted. The KS fits more head types while the MLC does not. While the MLC is a "longer" helmet it is very narrow and does not fit all head types. Both come either completed, or in kit type forms. Both helmets are top notch and will suit your needs. My advise is find some members of your local Garrison that may have both types try them on, and look at them in person before you buy. This will avoid any major issues on fit and style. Each helmet will require some modifications to make them film accurate. Hope this helps.

Sorry Chex.......my condolences to you and your family.

Chex, Sorry to hear that man! We will pray for you brother Scout!

Congrats! Man I need to get my Lancer app in!

Please stop posting your threads that contribute nothing but contention, and are intended to bait those of us which have dedicated time, money and the worthiness to be accepted into the Pathfinders. Perhaps you would be better served just reading threads rather then posting empty ones. I am sure your a good guy but your way is a harsh rub for some.

I understand your curiosity but I can see some contention in your previous threads and I don't want to travel down that road. Please answer the questions I posed to you in the previous post. Our command Staff has considerable knowledge on this suit. Some of it provided by me, and other info pieced from many sources including Lightning Bear who was one of the scouts in the film who worked under Peter Diamond. About 95% of the screen used suit info has been identified. There were no two piece suits used in the filming of ROTJ. All the scouts had the same basic base for the costume which was an Esprit racing suit. How that suit may have been modified for use can vary, but there is no physical evidence of any alternate versions of the suit other than the fitting suit which had tan suede and some different colored straps. The race suit was also an Esprit. I think we have gone about as far as we can go with this subject. Thanks. PS: The internal fire fabric is black not blue.

Those are not neck seals, it is a thick 1970's cotton balaclava worn under the chin as opposed to over the mouth. On the photo showing the scout from behind is the race suit collar pulled down for whatever reason in that shot. Still it is not a shirt collar by any means. I can do that with a flight suit, and my race suits. I have a few questions for you: 1. Have you actually ever seen this costume in person? 2. What are you using other then other peoples photos to assert your contentions? I am not asking these these questions to mean spirited, or sarcastic. I am only asking because for some unknown reason you are bent on contradicting the very people who not only worked on the original film, but those that have worn the costume, handled the costume, and have catalogued the costume in person. I have no issue with independent thought but your conclusions are way off base in this instance. I can recall a post you made sometime back where you were convinced that the undersuit was some two piece outfit I believe from the 1940's, and that there was some arbitrary pocket on the suit itself that does not exist. You really can not base "research" on grainy film clips from 1983, nor just photos of a suit that was piecemealed for a display. You have to have handled the suit, and speak to those who were responsible for the costume itself. I have done all the above on multiple occasions. Please don't take my word for it, but blanket conclusions with no factual basis is not true research. Not to hurt your feelings but I can already see where this is heading and I am not interested in idle debate with someone who has no hands on experience with the costume itself. Your questions have turned more into statements that are intended to provoke a debate.

What your not seeing in the photo, which can only be seen in person by comparing two of the actual suits together, is that the MOM suit is missing the external protection flap that velcro's to the other side. There is a stitch pattern on the left side of the collar that shows the flap remnants as being ripped off either during production or shortly afterwards. The other suit in the archives which is in much better condition still has the fire flap in place. The motorcycle suits of the today have the same basic principle but in a "trimmed" fashion. Meaning that that flap is not as wide, but serves the same purpose of protecting the exposed portion of the neck from fire, but allows the rider when needed to open the collar for suit removal, and air. Also the MOM exhibit suit was "cleaned up" for the display. The total outfit you see is actually a combination of a few complete suits made into one (suit, vest, armor, pouches etc etc used for one sole display), which include a back tank red square that is original production made, but unknown if ever actually used in the film. The remaining velcro attachment was removed either during production or thereafter. However in person you can see the darker suit shade where the velcro once was. Also bare in mind that stunt suits are not always the same as the hero suits since they are often modified for use in stunts, and are not intended to been seen with great detail. This is common practice. If you have ever seen a Scout stunt helmet, you will notice the differences to that of the hero. Also in the photo you highlighted I believe you are seeing three items. 1. Internal elastic fire flap which runs the width, and length of the upper torso. 2. External racing suit minus the external fire flap 3. Vest trim above the fire suit Edit: I forgot to add....the collars you are seeing, are not upturned shirt collars. The design of the Esprit race suit has up turned neck protection which I believe was call "a butterfly" opening. When you see the costume in person, you can see that the suit collar is manufactured in the up ward position, and not simply turned up like a shirt collar. The costume designer for the film would know more than anyone what as used. He stated specificly an Esprit race suit that was selected by Peter Diamond, then modified by the wardrobe dept with the suede, straps etc. His assertions match the item in person so there is no doubt what was used as the costume base.

Alright BrotherHalo......................now you & Witness are going to get it!

Sure. If I can answer them I will be happy too. However I do disagree with your statement as I have found BSN to be a a great open community of information. We are all striving for the samething......accuracy.

Sure.....why not.

Thanks for that info, Dan. Very cool. Your welcome. The Esprit suits and the potential Toyota V4s had shirt collars, as opposed to the common and prevalent Mandarin collars? The suit that I saw at both the Archives and the MOM exhibit had a standard velcro wrap around collar like we use on todays race suits. The cummerbund and pouches are the same exact fabric? If memory serves, and my notes are correct still .....then yes they are, just different colors. Edit: The base vest body and pouches/ cumberbund are the same material only died, and the sleeves on the vest body are a different material that I am not sure what it is. Also, I'm a little unclear on your post above...Are you quoting the sources you listed below, or are you saying that you've handled the archived Scout yourself? Both. I have personaly handled the scout costume on a few occasions, both in the Archives and when on tour with the MOM exhibit. Hope this helps.

Any time.

Sorry man not trying to hurt your feelings, just trying to save you countless hours of aggravation.

As a person who has had made multiple visists to the Archives in the 1990's to early 2001 I have handled the costume on several occasions. Here is the info I was able to obtain from visual inspection, the Archives records, and the films costume designers: The original suit was an Esprit racing suit that was popular in the States and Europe in the 1970's. The suit and gloves were reccommended by Peter Diamond as he and his "team" had worked with the suit in the past. In the 1970's the suit was purchased for around 225.00 US. Matching gloves were also purchased. It is believed that they were sourced in the U.K.. I am not sure if the prototype fitting race suits were the same brand, but I would suspect that they probably were. To my knowledge no other suit was used for the Scouts. I have heard rumors that the Scouts could have also used Toyota V4 racing suits, but that has never been confirmed. As for the materials for the vest/ cummberbund, and pouches, I was told by LFL Archives when I handled the costume on my 2nd visit to the Archives that the pouches and cumberbund were made out of muslin (sp). Now this is where LFL tends to make errors......using visual inspection and according to the films wardrobe manager the true material was duck cloth. There is no big mystery to the costume materials as anyone that has seen the suit on display at the MOM Exhibit can affirm the materials used. Of course we could go into detail for years on the subject but in the end the fabrics are the same. Sources: Peter Diamond 1995, Don Bies (LFL) 1996 visit , Layla French (LFL) by phone 2009, Nilo Rodis-Jamero (films costume designer) interview 1995

Not sure but toss it and start over. Yikes!

Looks good!

Awesome! That will be a heavy/ hot helmet.....yikes!

Thats what I use too. SC armor KS helmet

Unreal! Great job on that mod! Any nice close-ups to share. Hard to believe its the same helmet. Have you done anything to reinforce it from future warping since its vinyl?